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The Mystery License

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 08:40:05 AM PDT

One of the puzzling things about sneakwrap licenses is that so many software companies try to keep them secret until after the user purchases the product. So let's see if, with just few clues, you can solve this whodunit: which major software publisher (Company X) uses the following terms on one of its flagship products (Product X)?


Thinking it might be a good candidate for my proposed EULA product comparisons, a reader recently sent me Company X's license. Looking it over, I found a number of terms I thought unusually harsh, such as this one:

"The Agreement and the licenses granted hereunder shall terminate without further notice or action by (Company X) if You become bankrupt or insolvent, make an arrangement with Your creditors or go into liquidation."

So if you experience financial difficulties, you lose what was supposed to be a perpetual license. Gee, how fair is that? But there were some other interesting provisions in the sneakwrap license for Product X. Above and beyond the normal export restrictions, for example, Company X said its product could not be used outside of the country in which it was acquired. Customers could be audited for license compliance in person or electronically. And you had to agree that "activation security mechanisms" in the code could disable the software if you did anything they didn't like.

Interestingly, though, Company X had a few terms that were -- relatively speaking, of course -- fairly reasonable. A limited warrant that says the software will provide the features and functions described in the documentation is decent, assuming the product actually comes with documentation. And it's also nice the terms specifically allow the same user to install the software on a second system like a notebook, assuming the "activation security mechanisms" physically allow the user to do so.

All in all, an interesting EULA, and a very good candidate for our first formal review. But one problem was that, when I went to Company X's website to confirm this was indeed their license agreement, it was nowhere to be found. And I mean nowhere -- Googling strings of text from the EULA didn't turn it up even on a college or overseas distributor's website. Of course, it's all too common for software companies to not publish their license agreements, but it is unusual that the terms don't show up anywhere on the web.

To make sure this wasn't just an oversight, I called Company X as a potential customer interested in seeing their license agreement before I buy. Could they tell me where I could see it, or could they send it to me? Nope. First you have to put down your money; only then do you get to see the terms of the deal.

To confirm my reader hadn't made the whole thing up, I then called Company X's public relations department as myself and asked if they could send me the current EULA for Product X. Not your typical press inquiry, so it took them a few days, but they did send it to me. And it was the same as my reader had sent.

So who is Company X? Well, I want you to tell me. Yes, you're unlikely to figure it out if you don't happen to have Product X in your office, but take a look at the EULAs of the products you do have. Are they also ones that might be worthy of exposure to a little critical review? As I've said before, my readers are going to have to be our EULA staff reviewers, and Company X's EULA shows why. We can't review what's not there to be seen.

If you do find the EULA for Product X, write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com or, better yet, post your discovery below. And don't just tell us who it is - give us your quick review of Company X's EULA. After all, the real mystery here is not which particular company is responsible for this particular sneakwrap license, but why so many software companies try to hide their terms, and why we let them get away with it.

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Who's Company X[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 09:24:04 AM PDT

It sounds like Adobe to me!

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Adobe's not it[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 09:35:56 AM PDT

Adobe actually has some very reasonable license agreements. I love the fact that they specifically allow every user to install on two computers. You can also read all of the EULA's for all of their current and past products at http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/main.html.
I can't wait to find out who it is though, as I want to make sure to add them to my never-do-business-with list of companies.

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Definitely NOT Adobe ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 11:25:17 AM PDT

(1) Adobe does indeed make its EULA (end user license agreements) available for inspection on its web sites AND sends copies to whoever requests them. (2) No Adobe EULA for an end-user product has any crazy terms about termination of the license upon insolvency. Most Adobe licenses (discounted education editions are one notable exception) are freely transferable upon notice to Adobe.

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Reasonable EULA?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 10:21:45 AM PDT

The ability to use the product on a second computer (given product activation issues) is a dead giveaway... the product in question is Microsoft Office, which DOES (unlike, say, MS Windows), allow a user to install it on one work system plus one home system, or one desktop and one notebook. Installing onto the second computer does make the automatic product activation fail, but calling the 1-800 number that pops up on screen and explaining the situation gets a 50-digit (!) activation code which activates the second copy. (Note that this may not be the case for copies purchased under various corporate bulk-purchase schemes). An even better deal for some users will be the lower-cost Student-Teacher (Academic) version, which is a full version of Office Standard or Office Professional (available as low as US$120 for the Standard or $170 for the Pro version)... that ones can be activated on up to three computers. It can be legally purchased as long as one of the users is a student or teacher (at any grade level). (Of course, an even better deal is the free, open source Open Office!)

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Not Microsoft Office 2003 (and many others)[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 12:00:42 PM PDT

I was easily able to find the EULA on Microsoft's web site. So it is not Adobe and it's not Microsoft Office (and many other Microsoft products). Keep looking/guessing.

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The "mystery" license[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 12:03:44 PM PDT

The license in question is for AutoCAD 2005, from Autodesk. I know, because I work in an office that uses AutoCAD 2005. All I did was open a copy on my desktop, and go to the appropriate part of the Help menu. The text agrees exactly with Ed's excerpt. My take on the license is that it's pretty typical of Autodesk products, particularly since they went to activation as a way of stemming software piracy. I'm sure they got the idea from Microsoft, since their main products only run on Windows. Furthermore, they've had terms in their EULAs for years that pretty much invalidated the product license if the company that licensed the product re-organized or changed its legal status in any major way. The way they have been changing the file format, and sunsetting the availability of product upgrades for earlier versions, seems typical of a company that isn't interested so much in empowering the user as insuring that the user continues to come up with money to empower the software developer. Nice job if you can get it....

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That's It[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Ed Foster on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 12:09:31 PM PDT

Company X is AutoDesk, and Product X is AutoCad 2005. -- Ed Foster

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Not Bad -- Uncovered in only 3.5 hours[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by RocDoc on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 12:33:14 PM PDT

So ...

Are these "sneakwrap" licenses legit? I wouldn't have thought so, regardless of the endless diatribe in some of the other posts on Grip2Ed until I read a couple of items yesterday:
    It's been reported that the "DVD X Copy" application maker 321 Studios folded this past week due to the enforcement of the DMCA.

    A recent report on High Definition TV (HDTV) indicates that starting in June 2005 a "Broadcast flag" will be used by both the tranmitter of the HDTV signal and the tuner on the HDTV equipment that will prohibit recording of the signal and playback of a recorded signal on the HDTV equipment.
If DMCA is legit, and the FCC santions these limiting flags, then there may be no hope for the end user of "sneakwrap" licenses.

Time to vote with my wallet ... again!

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Wow[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by kamnet on Sat Aug 07, 2004 at 11:51:32 PM PDT

Well, the second that they do this, you can now have a HUGE lawsuit claiming violation of the Home Recording Act, which in clear and unambiguous terms established that home consumers have a RIGHT to use a time-shifting device for later playback. No company, nor the government, has the RIGHT to interfere with this.

IANAL, but what's the possibility of filing a class-action lawsuit against the government for this?

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Home Recordig Act[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 08, 2004 at 02:30:12 PM PDT

"Sec. 1008. - Prohibition on certain infringement actions

No action may be brought under this title alleging infringement of copyright based on the manufacture, importation, or distribution of a digital audio recording device, a digital audio recording medium, an analog recording device, or an analog recording medium, or based on the noncommercial use by a consumer of such a device or medium for making digital musical recordings or analog musical recordings "

This addendum, added by way of the Home Recording Act, specified audio not video allowances.

-Chris

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Company X is...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by burnt on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 02:04:46 PM PDT

I'm rather surprised by Ed's latest missive, saying Google turned up nothing. I did the following search:

http://www.google.com/search?num=20&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&c2coff=1&q=% 22make+an+arrangement+with+Your+creditors+or+go+into%22

or:

http://tinyurl.com/5xxjg for easier pasting

and found numerous results, including AutoDesk as number one.

Ed, you've violated my EULA for having me as a reader. As such, you owe me a $15,000 additional use fee, since you made a mistake. Faiure to pay this extra fee will result in me exercising the DMCA and having the Feds storm your house, wherein we will use harsh language. ;)

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Re: Company X is ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Ed Foster on Thu Aug 05, 2004 at 03:52:15 PM PDT

Good catch. But the clickwrap license on that page is really quite different than the EULA that comes with AutoCad 2005. It certainly is interesting though that they would still have the insolvency clause.

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In slight defense[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 26, 2004 at 10:07:12 AM PDT

I don't work for Autodesk but they certainly are my bread and butter. Its easy to forget that there are hundreds of companies that depend on software vendors like Autodesk. The inclusion of the anti-piracy activation is justifiable as im sure you are well aware. The majority of respectable companies have legitimite software licenses so that is not really an issue for them.

I'll admit that i think the insolvancy clause is strange. I guess if you look at it as: if you die, you dont own the product (nor do you need it) then it seems to make sense. If you are concerned about that, register it to you personally but dont count on a tax write off. (in a legitimite fashion ) Another possible reasoning here is that by invalidating the license, it prevents the liquidation of the product beyond the control of the original purchasor. (obviously im not a lawyer) Autodesk often provides volume discounts to large purchases. A liquidator could "sell" a seat, provided free or deeply discounted to the original purchasor, for full price. Not a desireable situation for Autodesk nor beneficial to the buyer.

"The way they have been changing the file format, and sunsetting the availability of product upgrades for earlier versions, seems typical of a company that isn't interested so much in empowering the user as insuring that the user continues to come up with money to empower the software developer. Nice job if you can get it...."
I must take exception here. The technology behind many (not just autodesk) CAD applications pretty much prevents backward compatibility. The fact that they have a SAVEAS function provides a path for previous versions. The DXF function pretty much provides compatibility with any cad software albeit it limits you to the functional levels of the DXF format. Speaking from the the technical support side, i personally am glad i dont have to remember and deal with all of the previous versions of autocad. Autodesk isnt preventing you from running autocad 14, they just dont provide support for it anymore. The reality is that providing technical support is very expensive and difficult to do for older versions. No evil plot there. Also, Autodesk has a limited functionality version called LT for approximately 1/3 the cost of a full version. LT has about 90 percent of the features of Autocad. Not exactly a big money maker.

While i agree its important to keep an eye on the "big corporations" its also important to understand that there are alot of "little guys" out there that depend on them and try to do ethical business. To date, Autodesk has not been sued for anything related to consumer harm as microsoft has. Its unfortunate that because of MS, the general perception of other large software companies is negative.

Good BLOG here, keep it up!

W. Crane

http://www.quannon.com



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