Free Technology Newsletters
» All 33 InfoWorld Newsletters
Technology & Business Daily
 
InfoWorld
 
   

Norton Non-Support

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 08:50:18 AM PDT

Whenever I see a spike in the number of gripes about a company's support, I wonder what's behind it. A recent surge in Symantec complaints seems to have a number of possible causes from which to choose.


One possible explanation is that Symantec support reps are spending too much of their time trying to get users of older versions to upgrade rather than fixing the customer's problem. "I have six months to go on my subscription to the LiveUpdate service, but now I can't download anything from it," wrote a Norton Internet Security 2002 user. "Symantec's response was to tell me that support for NIS 2002 has been discontinued, so I should upgrade to NIS 2004! They confirmed by LiveUpdate subscription is still valid ... shouldn't they be required to support my use of the service I've paid for?"

Buggy software or virus updates also may be playing a role in many of these situations. "Last week I did LiveUpdate for my Norton 2002 Anti-Virus, which I have a valid subscription for until July," one reader wrote in April. "After rebooting, my CPU utilization now goes to 100% for about 2 minutes every time I go online, the computer runs slow, and I am now denied access to certain websites I use daily for my job. I could not even access Symantec's 'automated troubleshooter' link. Going to a friend's PC with the same version of Norton I accessed their site looking for a reported bug/fix. I was dead-ended with a message that support for NAV 2002 had ended in October, 2003. Their solution for my problem was to buy a new version of Norton. So what is my subscription good for? I was never notified of the support ending or given an opportunity to upgrade my subscription before support ended. Now I have a problem and they want me to buy a newer version of the product?"

Of course, having the latest version of the product does not in fact guarantee you won't have problems. "My Symantec Norton Antivirus 2004 won't open half of the time from either the icon in the tray or the shortcut in the Start menu," wrote another reader. "Also, I must do manual virus updates because LiveUpdate keeps returning an error. Their recommendations don't resolve it. I know they cut out much of the quality control staff a few years ago, but this is ridiculous."

Corporate customers aren't necessarily much happier. "I'm paying about $20 a year per head --- times 650 heads -- for the AntiVirus Corporate/Enterprise Edition's "Gold" support," wrote another reader. "For my roughly $13,000 a year, I get online tech support that promises a response by the end of the next business day. However, the web-based support has been taking longer and longer to respond to questions of late. I submitted a question six days ago and just got a reply this morning. On top of that, the response was generic and useless. They pointed me to knowledgebase articles I'd already read and that hadn't helped, which has been my experience the last few times I've tried online support. My alternative is to call Symantec's live tech support phone line, but there's a catch. I may have 650 licenses and roughly 600+ systems on which those licenses are installed, but Symantec's miserly two-contact limit allows only half of my staff to call for support. When we do call for support, we wait on hold for at least an hour before finally speaking to someone who can help us resolve the problem."

I have my own pet theory as to what the problem is: perhaps Symantec support is being inundated by users who've run afoul of their product activation. Lending support to this is the experience of a reader who spent several weeks trying to get Norton System Works 2004 re-activated on a system that had required several OS reinstalls but no major hardware changes. Getting through to Symantec by phone to request reactivation proved almost impossible, however, and his e-mails only elicited apologies for the long hold times. "We have been overwhelmed with calls lately," the reader was told by Symantec.

"I have no idea what their call capacity is, but it is pretty clear they are overwhelmed," wrote the reader. "Why in the world do they prevent me from reinstalling the software on the same machine? I believe the activation on SystemWorks simply counts the installs and when you reach the limit, it just won't allow you to activate again. The task then is to call Symantec, convince them that you are not using the product illegally, and then getting them to reset the counter. Not only is the expiring install count frustrating, but the long call waits to reach a person who will help, their refusal to reset the counter based on e-mail requests, and finally, the requirement to explain what I am doing in an effort to convince them I'm not a bad guy is infuriating. They are definitely operating under the assumption that customers are guilty until proven innocent."

So I suggest we operate under the assumption that Symantec is guilty of criminally bad support. How do you suppose they would plead?

--------------------

Post your comments about this column below or write me directly at Foster@gripe2ed.com. To receive this column every week in my free e-mail newsletter, please go to my subscription page and follow the instructions to opt-in for the EdFoster mailing list.

< Reader Voices: IT Offshoring | Checking the Rebate Fine Print >


Display: Sort:
Norton Non-Support | 57 comments (57 topical) | Post A Comment
Less problem with pirated copies?![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 09:39:32 AM PDT

Isn't it crazy that legal copies may give more problem that pirated copies for which there is probably no problem installing multiple times.

[ Reply to This ]


Chicken or the Egg?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 12:34:47 PM PDT

Which came first, Software Piracy resulting in a product registration, or product registation resulting in Software Piracy? From what I have heard, the pirated software installs and works like a champ and there is no need for tech support. This could create an interesting AFTERMARKET software industry. Eliminate EULA and all these mumbo-jumbo bogus software license agreements and allow "software VARs" to create "enhanced" versions which work much better than the original product for end users. Perhaps a little competition would prompt software manufactures to get off their fat asses and produce quality software that enhances your productivity. Perhaps then, they can stand behind their product instead of conjuring up more disclaimers and finding more ways to drain your wallet with their crappy software. If you are going to pay for software, why not pay for software that works better and won't waste your valuable time with foolish protection schemes?

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


Chicken or egg - irrelevant question[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jul 12, 2004 at 10:02:03 AM PDT

Really there is no debate here. Digital product activation is clearly a response of major software manufacturers to prevent piracy.

Secondly, it's aimed to take out 'the big fish'. Individual users will always get their key reset, no questions asked. No matter what the horror stories are about Microsoft, Symantec or whatever company that has implemented this digital activation in their software.

In a way, I'm very glad they implemented such protection processes as well. For our company, this has greatly reduced the amount of illegal software that employees decided to test on their production machines, hence greatly reducing the time needed for the IT department to remove all the leftovers, faulty installations and what have you.

Furthermore, the remark about how pirated software 'tends to work better' than the official version is obviously ludicrous. Whoever pirated the software didn't spend any time 'reworking' the code, fixing bugs, doing additional QA or other development work, believe me. From an IT standpoint, you can't have enough ways to block piracy on a global level. From an end-user perspective, people should start understanding that buying pirated versions will never ever improve the original product, since the moneys paid will end up in some pocket somewhere in Taiwan or wherever.

If you want to be sure you like a software and it works correctly on your particular machine... use a Try then Buy scheme, that would be my advice.

[ Parent | Reply to This ]



pasing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#73)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 02:55:22 AM PDT

Our web is Wholesale Jewelry|Jewelry Designer | precious stone jewelry| body jewelry| costume jewelry| silver jewelry| beaded jewelry| swarovski crystal jewelry| glass jewelry| pearl jewelry| turquoise jewelry| wire jewelry| fashion jewelry| unique handcrafted jewelry| bridal jewelry| tour jewelry| discount jewelry| vintage jewelry| jewelry scales| jewelry boxes| imitation jewelry supplies| Material ofjewelry supplies and etc. Our Jewelry| Wholesale Jewelry Blog Jewelry stores| Blog.To know more details about Jewelry Wholesale|, please enter our web: www.aypearl.com beads jewelry

ˮ|Ʒ

pasing oicq:80810487

Our Email: Tangjewelry_001#yahoo.com



[ Parent | Reply to This ]


ssss[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#77)
by Anonymous User on Fri Aug 15, 2008 at 07:49:10 AM PDT

Free YouTube Downloader | YouTube to iPod | YouTube on PSP | YouTube to MP3 | YouTube to MP4 | YouTube to 3GP | YouTube to AVI | YouTube to MPG | YouTube to WMV | YouTube to DivX | YouTube to MOV | YouTube to WMA | YouTube Ripper YouTube to iPod | YouTube to iPhone | YouTube to PSP | YouTube to Zune | YouTube to MP4 | YouTube to Apple TV | YouTube to 3GP | iPod to PC Transfer

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


Symantic Norton Anti-Virus[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 09:52:59 AM PDT

How would they respond to "So I suggest we operate under the assumption that Symantec is guilty of criminally bad support. How do you suppose they would plead?" Probably "No speaka da English." McAfee may be almost as bad. When it notifies me I have updates, there is at least a 50% chance I will end up using the on/off button and totally reinstalling the product. At least, though, I have [so far] been able to do that.

[ Reply to This ]


If It Hurts When You Use Symantec...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 10:07:11 AM PDT

For quite a time now products with the Norton name have not been so good; I stopped buying them years ago.  Symantec's reliance on Product Activation schemes, terrible customer service, and the "pay for the latest upgrade and all your troubles will vanish" method of problem resolution should be sending a pretty strong signal to us.

If we continue to do business with vendors that are doing this, more and more vendors will do it.  We need to stop this sort of thing cold, and the only way to do it is to stop giving them money.

It would be interesting for someone with lots of resources and time to ping Symantec with a bit of lawyer stuff and see if they back down from taking our money for a support contract and then withdrawing the support before the contract is up.

It looks like Microsoft is going to get into the virus scanning game, and if so, maybe Symantec is just trying to suck the last nickels and dimes out of the product before it dies a gory death in the Microsoft machine.

(My company did a lot of testing and study, and we went with Trend Micro for virus scanning products; they met our needs best.)

Ta to Ed, your columns are most informative.

Steve

[ Reply to This ]



Norton Non-Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 10:14:23 AM PDT

You do it the way I did it. I removed NAV from the four computers we have at home. There are cheaper and better options out there than NAV. Remember when Norton was a respected name in the industry?

[ Reply to This ]


Why do people keep buying this stuff?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 11:17:23 AM PDT

I fail to understand why Symantec/Norton are still in business. I support our corporate network and almost 200 outside agents who work from their homes. Whenever one of them has a mysterious computer problem, I ask them if they are running NAV; if they are, I have them disable it, and the problems usually go away. We use Panda for our corporate network (and I use it on my home computers also). It is cheaper than NAV, the signature updates are automatic, and I have NEVER had a problem with it or with their tech support.

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec/Norton AntiVirus Woes[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Bob N on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 11:32:22 AM PDT

I have been a huge supporter of Symantec/Norton AntiVirus products for a long time, both for my consumer clients and my SMB clients. Lately, however, I have begun questioning whether they deserve my support, considering how poorly some of their products have behaved and how difficult it has been to get technical support when I really need it. After speaking face-to-face with Computer Associates representatives at two computer industry events in the last few months, I have decided to make a switch to their eTrust products. I am delivering a more reliable product at a better price and I have been exceptionally pleased with the managability and performance of the product line. Better still, I now have direct access to technical support if and when I need it and I also have access to product managers to help me whenever I need information. Coupled with some excellent on-line training, I feel that Computer Associates has really done an excellent job in moving their exceptional product line down to the consumer and SMB level where my practice resides.

[ Reply to This ]


Why DO people continue to pay for Norton's abuse?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by tsingher on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 12:30:56 PM PDT

Grisoft (www.grisoft.com) offers a free (for home use) antivirus program which I find operates much more smoothly and intuitively than Norton's. When clients' Norton subscriptions run out, I install Grisoft and go home. In a recent installation, Grisoft found a virus that the previously installed Norton installation had ignored. What are people thinking? (And, no, I have no connection whatever to Grisoft.) The computer industry is proof positive that the best products at the lowest prices don't win.

[ Reply to This ]


NAV and Grisoft[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 10:45:10 PM PDT

Interesting you find that Grisoft finds a virus Symantec won't. When properly updated, I've NEVER found an antivirus product that can detect a virus NAV doesn't. Even _more_ interesting is that you say that Grisoft is "more intuitive" than Symantec. I don't see how "Complete Test" is more intuitive than "Scan my Computer." Also, Grisoft's update procedures aren't as "transparent" as Symantec's (after NAV's been properly configured). I haven't seen ANYTHING more transparent than Symantec's latest LiveUpdate with the Express option turned on and Extended Error Management enabled and Automatically Close When Done enabled. My customers just click on the shorcut I place on their desktops and "watch the show." HOWEVER, that said, I also have NEVER in my entire computer career (okay, only 22 years) seen a product take such a quick and total quality dive that NAV has in the last year. Not only can we no longer install it in Safe Mode, but we can't even SCAN in Safe Mode - even though most techs agree that Safe Mode is the best way to clear most viruses. Pity.... pity...

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


missed viruses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by jkhill on Fri Jun 18, 2004 at 06:47:41 AM PDT

I switched a fileserver from Symantec to McAfee a few months ago because SAV kept hanging (note: McAfee isn't doing all that much better). It found about ten viruses that Symantec had missed. When I asked Symantec about it, they suggested that the files had been cleaned by NAV but not 100%, leaving a non-executable trace that McAfee was able to detect. Of course, they could have been lying through their teeth, but the explanation seemed to make some sense. I wasn't about to open the files just to test their honesty.

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


Missing Viruses[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by dliesse on Fri Jun 18, 2004 at 08:38:59 AM PDT

Interesting timing on this message. Just yesterday I scanned my disk here at work using Trend Micro's Housecall product, and it found five viruses in six files. Before cleaning up, I ran NAV against just the directories involved, and it didn't find any of them. These were not new viruses, either -- I got them with a spyware product over a month ago (but, because I'd cleaned up the spyware piece, the trojan horses never managed to get activated, and now they're completely gone from the system). And yes, my NAV data base is up to date (Corporate updates it automatically, usually at the time it will most interfere with whatever I'm doing).

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


Likewise..[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Reziac on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 03:51:16 PM PDT

I keep some captive viruses for the purpose of testing AV products. Some years ago, McAfee ceased to find one of the old standards (not a complex virus to ID, either -- it can be readily spotted with a hex viewer). This was when I moved to FProt for personal use.

Much more recently, I've seen systems become infected with SubSeven (which was already old news) and only AFTER it was installed and running did McAfee complain about it (but couldn't remove it). Say what? Aren't we supposed to prevent infection, not just whine about it after the fact??

Needless to say, I haven't recommended McAfee in a long time.
~REZ~
[ Parent | Reply to This ]



Symantec pleads "Not Guilty"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 12:46:50 PM PDT

And why not? They have plenty of excuses. They can always apologize and say they are sorry. Yep. A sorry excuse for a company.

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec Support... Relieving the workload...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 12:57:45 PM PDT

I too went though agony with Symantec support renewal reinstallation bla bla bla. From the support aspect it appears that the people (yes they are people too....) in Symantec's support group are overworked and have training that runs from scripts. So in order to help them, I have decided to explore other options in anti-virus solutions thereby relieving them of any potential phone call or email from me. I have been using the AVG product and so far it has worked pretty well. It has a free version and a pay version. If the free version works out I will gladly pay for it. I would rather freely give my money to an organization that has this philosophy then to be strong armed by a company where the policy is to sell the upgrade. P.S. IMO Virus writers when caught should have an extended stay in beautiful Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

[ Reply to This ]


DITTO[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by sconeu on Fri Jun 18, 2004 at 02:30:37 PM PDT

<I>IMO Virus writers when caught should have an extended stay in beautiful Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.</I>

Yep.  I just wasted the better part of a day trying to clear Peper and TROJ_QAZ from a machine here.  Of course, it's Symantec AntiVirus Corporate was up to date... We gave up and told him to do a full reinstall, partly because we decided that even if we got rid of the symptoms, we couldn't trust the machine again.

--
I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
[ Parent | Reply to This ]



Symantec - Similar problem[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 06:59:45 PM PDT

Around the time of the Blaster virus, for about six weeks, I was unable to update the virus definitions for my 2003 Prof Ed (with a valid license). Every download would end with an "unable to update" message. I followed the instructions in the one Knowledge-base article I found, but it didn't help. Then I did a manual download and was able to update my system. Unfortunately, when I rebooted and logged back in, my computer crashed. So, of course, I had no choice but to restore from a pre-update backup. About two weeks ago, I tried to Live Update again and all went well. What infuriates me is the fact that Symantec has no way for users to send them information about possible bugs, and I don't want to spend the time or money to get somebody on the phone for a problem that is clearly Symantec's. (The system in question is very stable in the sense that no new software or hardware had been added prior to the start of the problems.) Unfortunately, what we are all suffering from is the continuing shrinking vendor pool for a wide range of products (software and hardware). Companies with little or no competition (not just Microsoft but Dell, Gateway, McAfee, Symantec, etc.) have little or no incentive to provide either good products or good service.

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec Solution[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by paul55 on Fri Jun 18, 2004 at 04:43:24 PM PDT

NAV is probably the worst product on the market. I discovered a solution 2 years ago. Panda AV. Panda works flawlessly personaly and in any enterprise environment. Any time I have the opportunity to attempt a clean removal ov NAV and install Panda I do !!!

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec antivirus[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 24, 2004 at 02:41:48 PM PDT

I installed Symantec's Systemworks on a Windows 98 machine, and it brought it to its knees. NOTHING could run. I took me many reboots and hours just to uninstall it.

Their Personal Firewall (I got them together) seems to be ok.

No more SAV.

I'm going to try grisoft.


[ Reply to This ]



McAfee isn't much better[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 30, 2004 at 03:22:05 PM PDT

For some reason, Norton has a problem running on my son's machine (WinXP, everything current) and with basically no tech support I could not figure out the problem, so I was forced to install McAfee on it (fortunately I was able to get it free after rebate, same way as I always get my Norton stuff). It is not nearly as nice as Norton when it comes to updating. I have to tell it to look for updates, and then sometimes I actually have to sign onto their site to download the update, and it opens a browser window to do so. At least Norton (when it works) has a much nicer LiveUpdate app to do this. Also, amusingly, while the McAfee product I bought allegedly has a pop-up blocker, it does not block its own ads, which I have seen a couple of times when using the program!

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec Marketing[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Fri May 27, 2005 at 01:44:46 PM PDT

Am I the only one who only today found out I have been buying 2 products when one had both. Internet Security Professional has Norton Anti Virus built in. I have needlessly been buying both. When I mentioned this to Symantec they suggested I look at their web site...they said it was clearly spelled out. After catching my breath from laughing I said the site was an excellent example of consumer encryption. In the future I will look somewhere else for products to buy. I am glad I do not own their stock.

[ Reply to This ]


Symantec[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 31, 2006 at 07:49:16 AM PDT

I re-upped subscription to Symantec NIS 2004 two daya ago. Received confirmation that I had been renewed and credit card billed. Tried to to run LiveUpdate. Keep geting messages that I can't update because my subscrioption is expired. Ran trouble-shooting from support site, did not work. Sent message to auto support. Told via auto-response to go to trouble-shooting site. Maddening--they have my money and I have nothing to show for it. This undoubtedly is happening thousands of times a week and Symantec is not being called to account. This smacks of large-scale fraud!!

[ Reply to This ]


yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#76)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:13:36 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fvbh[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#81)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 22, 2008 at 01:09:49 AM PDT

SEXlink1

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fgbb[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#82)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 02:38:46 AM PDT

,ff,,,f*f不倫

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


gbvv[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#83)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2008 at 11:55:12 PM PDT

,fff,fff^出会,,

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


gfdd[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#84)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 24, 2008 at 11:54:51 PM PDT

出会,,,ff,,素人

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fgkk[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#85)
by Anonymous User on Sun Oct 26, 2008 at 12:17:30 AM PDT

,fff巨乳熟女

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fdmm[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#86)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 27, 2008 at 02:40:00 AM PDT

,ffff"f,,ff,,童貞

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fbvd[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#87)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 28, 2008 at 02:08:23 AM PDT

童貞,f*ffff`

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


gfmm[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#88)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 29, 2008 at 02:33:14 AM PDT

,fff^,f不倫

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


dgff[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#89)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 30, 2008 at 02:23:46 AM PDT

,ff,,出会,,,f

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fdgg[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#90)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 31, 2008 at 01:44:14 AM PDT

SEX,ff,,おっぱ,,

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


ffgb[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#91)
by Anonymous User on Sat Nov 01, 2008 at 01:49:21 AM PDT

不倫熟女,fff風--

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fkoo[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#92)
by Anonymous User on Sun Nov 02, 2008 at 02:51:23 AM PDT

,ff,,SEX逆援

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


okmm[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#93)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 03, 2008 at 01:44:38 AM PDT

不倫童貞ff',

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


jdhh[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#94)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 12:17:24 AM PDT

,f*f熟女,fff

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


mkoo[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#95)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 04, 2008 at 08:18:08 PM PDT

人妻,f*f,ff,,

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


gfbb[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#96)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 06, 2008 at 08:34:54 PM PDT

,fff^,f熟女

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fvbb[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#97)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 07, 2008 at 09:58:12 PM PDT

人妻,fff不倫

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


ggfd[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#98)
by Anonymous User on Sun Nov 09, 2008 at 01:15:42 AM PDT

,fff^SEX逆援

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


fgbb[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#99)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 10, 2008 at 12:54:19 AM PDT

童貞,f人妻

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


dfgg[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#100)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 14, 2008 at 08:22:39 PM PDT

不倫人妻ff',

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


okmm[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#101)
by Anonymous User on Mon Nov 17, 2008 at 11:24:48 PM PDT

不倫おっぱ,,,fff^

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


djnn[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#102)
by Anonymous User on Sun Nov 23, 2008 at 11:09:07 PM PDT

,fff^,ff,,巨乳

[ Parent | Reply to This ]


Symantec Woes[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Sat Sep 09, 2006 at 10:15:36 AM PDT

I tried to buy a download for Norton Ghost from the Symantec site. That was my first mistake. The site decided (and I know this wasn't user error because I went back to the previous screen to make sure that I had selected download) to send me a physical copy. I called Symantec to tell them I didn't want a physical copy, and to simply cancel my order.

They wouldn't cancel the order, even though I asked that it be canceled within 20 minutes of placing it, and even though information on their site says you can cancel an order up to 12 hours after requesting it.

So, the software arrived. Following Symantec's rules I sent off for a letter of destruction, that never arrived to my e-mail inbox (I also checked my spam folders, so again, no user error here). Then, I tried to physically return the unopened copy, but needed an RMA number. Thing is, there's nowhere on the Symantec site to get an RMA number.

So, Symantec is criminally guilty of keeping $77 dollars of my money for a product I don't want, tried to cancel and have done everything to return in its original condition.

The customer service people were no help, the online customer service led to failed screens, database errors and worse.

So, I cancelled any other Norton subscriptions, bought an Acronis product for back up and will never use Norton again. I will also recommend that anyone using a Symantec product go elsewhere. If they can't get the basic customer service right, HOW CAN THEY BE GETTING THE SOFTWARE RIGHT? Answer, they can't!

[ Reply to This ]



aderalahoo.com[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#71)
by rickman on Thu Jun 05, 2008 at 08:41:17 PM PDT

FLV to WMA FLV to WAV FLV to MP3 MP3 to WMA MPEG to WMA AVI to WMA Quicktime to WMA 3GP to WMA AAC to MP3 RM to WMA MPEG to WMA MOV to WMA WMV to WMA MPG to WMA MP4 to WMA M4A to WMA WMA to AAC ipod to pc DVD to iPod WMV to iPod MPEG to iPod FLV to iPod AVI to Ipod Ipod to Ipod iPod to Mac transfer winxmedia avi mpeg ipod converter Transfer music from Ipod to PC Download K-Lite Codec Pack ipod to pc transfer copy dvd to iPod iPod copy iPod backup cucusoft ipod video converter cucusoft dvd to ipodconverter xilisoft ipod video converter xilisoft dvd to ipod converter imtoo iPod movie converter imtoo DVD to iPod converter PQ dvd to iPod FLV to iPod converter WMV to iPod converter MPEG to iPod converter AVI to iPod converter How to transfer songs from iPod to Mac DVD to iPod Macos x software m4v-converter M4V to MP4 Converter M4V to MPEG Converter M4V to AVI Converter M4V to WMV Converter M4V to MPG Converter Itunes M4V to Vob convert M4V to MP3 M4V TO WMA Converter FLV TO M4V Converter flv to mp3 AVI to FLV WMV to FLV MPEG/MP4/MPG to FLV ASF to FLV Divx to FLV FLV to Ipod FLV to PSP FLV to Zune FLV to 3GP

[ Reply to This ]


pasing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#72)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 17, 2008 at 02:15:30 AM PDT

  • China Overview
  • China Accommodation
  • China Attention
  • China BANK_ATM
  • China Bars_Nightlife
  • China Body_and_Mind
  • China Churches
  • China Climate
  • China Eating
  • China Education
  • China Entertainment
  • China FAQ
  • China History
  • China Museums
  • China Neighborhood
  • China Overview
  • China Recommanded
  • China Related_web_resources
  • China Restaurants
  • China Shopping
  • China Tips_and_Practical_Info
  • China Tourist
  • China Tourist_Attractions
  • China Transportation
  • China Travelogue
  • China Tour
  • China Travel
  • 6dao
  • zuotian
  • poples
  • USA Zerog
  • jiaojiao
  • pasing
  • ledao
  • 51
  • chinese
  • Google UK
  • china travel
  • learn chinese
  • Academic exchanges
  • Medicine
  • Yahoo!
  • Pharmaceutical
  • Google Canada
  • Yale-Yale
  • Biological
  • Chemical
  • Polytechnic
  • Material
  • Economy
  • English
  • Retrieval
  • English directory
  • Arts
  • News
  • Automobiles
  • Fooddrink
  • Business
  • Legal
  • Finance
  • health
  • Exercise
  • Slimming help
  • Plasticexperts
  • Beauty guidance
  • Health Alert
  • Bulletin
  • Parental guidance
  • Mental health
  • A healthy diet
  • Google China
  • pasing oicq:80810487


  • [ Parent | Reply to This ]


    wslaat[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#74)
    by thegame on Thu Jun 19, 2008 at 03:53:51 AM PDT

    العاب اطفالالعاب اطفال جميلة اجمل العاب الأطفال الفلاش العاب فلاش اطفال العاب سياراتالعاب سيارات العاب سيارات فلاش جميلة عالم المغامرة والسباق والتحدي العاب رياضيةالعاب رياضية العاب رياضة كرة قدم وتنس والعاب قوي عالم الألعاب الرياضية فلاش العاب جميلة العاب جميلة جدا روعة العاب جميلة فلاش العاب فلاش جميلة العاب كرتون نتوركالعاب كرتون نتورك اجمل العاب افلام الكرتون نتورك العاب فلاش كرتونية العاب كمبيوترالعاب كمبيوتر فلاش العاب ا&#