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Permission to Spy

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu May 27, 2004 at 08:22:55 AM PDT

How deep in the sneakwrap can spyware purveyors bury the truth about what they're loading on your system while claiming they had your consent? It's a question the software industry is finding hard to answer.


Perhaps we could help them out by examining a few facts that have been revealed recently in comments filed with the Federal Trade Commission's Spyware Workshop. Benjamin Edelman, a PhD candidate in economics at Harvard, in March filed comments with the FTC about some of the things he's learned in his research into spyware. One observation was that his analysis of data transmitted by WhenU.com's Save and SaveNow "adware" software indicated WhenU was violating its own privacy policy.

Edelman's research, detailed here, demonstrated that the transmissions back to WhenU's servers include the web site URL being visited when a WhenU ad was displayed on the user's system as well as other data. This seemed to contradict the then-current WhenU privacy policy statement that as "the user surfs the Internet, URLS visited by the user (i.e., the user's 'clickstream data') are NOT transmitted to WhenU.com or any third party server." And it unquestionably contradicts privacy promises WhenU makes in places where there is at least some chance "customers" will see them before they are inflicted with the company's software.

WhenU claims that if you look at the installation process, they tell you what they are going to do," says Edelman. "But if you look at the installation screens that come up on their sites or those of their partners, they don't just say they won't collect the clickstream data. They promise they do not collect any of your browsing activity."

WhenU.com had not returned my calls by press time, but fortunately they did respond to Edelman by filing a rebuttal with the FTC last week. Although charging Edelman with bias since he's served as a paid expert witness in a number of lawsuits brought against them (as well as in cases against WhenU rival Claria, the former Gator), WhenU didn't dispute his facts. The company acknowledged that such data as the visited URL, search terms, etc. associated with each ad their software displays is transmitted back to their servers.

Instead, WhenU argued that Edelman's interpretation of what their privacy policy was really promising was mistaken. Oddly, they base this assertion on their privacy policy allowing them to report "impressions and clickthroughs" for each ad back to WhenU. Does that mean the URL the user is visiting counted as an impression in addition to the ad display? I would think WhenU advertisers might want to have that clarified.

WhenU has now changed the privacy policy on its website to jibe a little more closely with what Edelman discovered they were doing. But as he pointed out, and as I confirmed for myself by visiting some of their "partner" sites, the promises users are likely to see are quite different. For example, on one website where you might think that you're just downloading a free media player, you have to look pretty hard to discover any information about the WhenU program you'll be getting with it. If you do find it, though, it says straight out that "WhenU.com does NOT transmit URLS visited by the user to WhenU.com or any third-party server." And, in over 800 reassuring words about it not being spyware, the only mention made of the software contacting WhenU's servers states that "it does so in order to retrieve content from them and store that content on your computer."

But what about WhenU's license agreement? Isn't that where, as WhenU told the FTC, its software's functionality is explicitly described? Well, it's explicit enough that anyone who goes through it will at least get an inkling how this intrusive "adware" takes over your computer, which is why it makes sense for WhenU to make it hard to find and hard to read the license. Edelman has an example of one site where the tiny text window displaying the EULA requires 44 page-downs to see it in its entirety. More typical is the example of the free media player that I followed, where the hidden WhenU EULA can only be seen after downloading the software by scrolling though the license agreement of the free software product you actually wanted. Had I not known where to look, I could have easily completed the download and installation (at least up to the point of clicking "I agree", which is where I stopped) without even seeing WhenU's name or the name of its product, much less that I had given informed consent to their pop-up generator taking over my system.

And that's what's going to cause a problem for the software industry. Spyware is a plague for everybody, so there's little sympathy to be found for WhenU.com and its ilk. But, as we know all too well, many software companies like to hide the true nature of their offerings deep in the fine print of their sneakwrap licenses. And, as we will soon need to discuss, events on the near horizon mean that the industry is about to have to choose.

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WhenU[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu May 27, 2004 at 01:24:31 PM PDT

Just took a look at WhenU.com, it also states, "WhenU enables consumers to receive valuable software for free by agreeing to see occasional ads instead of paying a fee -- and without compromising their privacy." Doesn't seem like that is really truth in advertising.

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Here's the explanation.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu May 27, 2004 at 04:04:38 PM PDT

Compromise is when both parties get something and give up something.

So there's no compromise on privacy here, because the consumer is giving up everything, whereas WhenU isn't giving up anything.

See, it all makes sense.

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Informed Consent[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Fri May 28, 2004 at 07:50:56 AM PDT

Just a question. How, exactly, do my minor children give legally binding permission to anyone to install any form of monitoring software? Why, if this is all above board, is it so hard to remove?

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Hard to remove![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by pfaut on Mon May 31, 2004 at 06:51:49 AM PDT

Why, if this is all above board, is it so hard to remove?

My sister came over yesterday for a Memorial Day weekend barbecue. Unfortunately, we weren't able to spend a whole lot of time together. Her PC got infected with spyware/adware recently and she brought it along to see if I could eradicate it for her.

She had one spyware removal program which identified several packages installed on her machine and supposedly removed them. Next reboot, they were back. I downloaded another spyware removal tool and went through the same process again. Next reboot, they were all back.

I set her Norton firewall to its strictest settings and rebooted the machine. It didn't appear to be stopping anything before that. At this point, armed with a list of program names that were attempting to access the internet, we searched disk and registry for any references to those programs and removed them. By the time she left, I think we had removed enough so they weren't activating at boot time anymore. I'm sure there are still traces that remain.

The removal tools may find all traces of the programs but fail to find the installer programs. There's so much cruft in the Windows registry that it's very hard to tell what belongs and what doesn't. Tracing what runs at Windows startup and login is next to impossible. There are so many places for these things to hide to avoid detection.

I tried to make her a bit more paranoid about what she'll allow on her computer and told her a few things she could do to research things she might like to install. I'm still worried that she'll contract something else due to the sleazy way they attach to innocent sounding things or even real legitimate programs.

So my sister was at my house for about 7 hours and out of that we might have spent 2 away from her computer. As far as I'm concerned, whoever writes or distributes these things is guilty of everything a virus or worm writer could be charged with. There's absolutely no legitimate purpose for these things.



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Help in finding startup programs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 01, 2004 at 10:25:27 AM PDT

There are two handy utilities I use to find and control what is trying to run when my computer boots up or when I log in. They both search all the possible locations (except Services - those are easily controlled through the Control Panel) and allow you to disable their start-up run. Having one or both of these in your standard toolbox goes a long way to squashing the spyware and adware that plagues many windoze PCs these days. StartStop (TFI-Technology) <http://www.tfi-technology.com/startstop> Startup Control Panel <http://www.mlin.net/StartupCPL.shtml> Here are some others that purport to do the same thing, but I haven't tried them personally: Startup Cop <http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1554244,00.asp> Startup Monitor <http://www.mlin.net/StartupMonitor.shtml>

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registry cruft -- no longer a problem[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Reziac on Tue Jun 01, 2004 at 11:26:49 AM PDT

Get a copy of ToniArts' Easycleaner, and run it religiously once a week. There is a v2.x out now (see http://personal.inet.fi/business/toniarts/ecleane.htm), but I prefer old v1.7 (eclea1_7*.exe, do a search and assorted download sites will come up. If all else fails, use filesearching.com ... I love the Russians, they never throw away anything :)

Be sure to exclude "norton" and "help", but you can safely let it nuke any other invalid registry entries it finds. I have hand-vetted what it wants to delete, and have never seen the registry cleaning part make a mistake; in any event it keeps undo files for the paranoid. It can be used on any Win9*/ME/2K/XP system.

The Start Menu cleaner component is also very good. However, the duplicate files finder component is buggy, so I recommend you don't use it.

[sorry if this got posted twice; had a connection glitch]

~REZ~
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P.S. re toniarts[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Reziac on Tue Jun 01, 2004 at 12:05:48 PM PDT

DON'T get suckered by "toniarts.com" or any of their many partners -- they hijacked Toni Helenius' original site and programs, and are now selling the programs and "site subscriptions" without Toni's permission. I'm sure there must be grounds for a lawsuit or even a criminal prosecution, if someone with the resources were to pursue it.

[And goes to show the danger of not owning your domain name outright -- it was evidently registered by the hosting company, not by Toni.]
~REZ~
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Corporate Consent[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by tscoff on Sat Jun 12, 2004 at 08:16:01 PM PDT

Going with your question about how your minor children give legally binding permission to install any form of monitoring software, I'm an employer and a small business owner.  My employees are not authorized to give legally binding permissiion to anyone to install any form of monitoring software on my computers.  If any spyware is installed on my computers it is not authorized by me.  What will happen if some spyware gets installed, I take the spyware company to court, and their defense is that my employee consented to installing their monitoring software?

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Re: Corporate Consent[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Ed Foster on Sun Jun 13, 2004 at 11:22:11 PM PDT

There are precedents that say if one of your employees clicks OK, however unknowingly, than he or she has committed your business to the "contract." That is certainly the UCITA way of thinking, and it has been upheld in some court cases, even when it was an outside consultant doing the clicking. The bottom line is that, as long as companies like WhenU and Gator have any hope of legal sanction for their sneakwrap licenses, we're going to have a huge spyware problem.

Ed Foster



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Re: Corporate Consent[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by tscoff on Mon Jun 14, 2004 at 09:02:01 AM PDT

Ed,

Does this mean that if an employee of mine clicks Yes or Ok on the sneak-wrap agreement and I discipline or fire them for clicking on that I as an employer am still held to the terms of that agreement?

And does this mean that if I have an employee of mine sign an employment contract that states that they are not authorized to enter into any contractual agreements on behalf of my company and I post a policy on my company's web site to the effect that no employees of the company are authorized to enter into any contractual agreements on behalf of the company and an employee clicks on that button agreeing to install the spyware on my computer I'm still going to be held to the sneak-wrap agreement that the employee "agreed" to?

That's ridiculous!  No employee of mine is authorized to enter into any contractual agreements that hold me accountable for anything.  I'm a very small shop and I'm the only one authorized to enter into contractual agreements for my company.

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Spyware computer repair[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Bright Spot on Mon May 31, 2004 at 09:29:35 PM PDT

I am a computer repair person. I been doing this for over 10 years. Currently over half of my repairs are to speed up computers. They are full of adware/spyware which now I call clutterware. The average computer has 20 to 40 different programs running in the background. They use to be running from the run lines in windows which were easy to remove. But now the use the BHO method which allows the program to run without showing up in the taskmanager. If these program don't want to be called spyware why are they hiding? Many of the adware/spyware movers programs are adware or worst fake removes. The computer that come in as a non-clutterware problem, half of them end up as clutterware caused problem.

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Spyware Removal[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 10, 2004 at 09:44:37 PM PDT

Thanks this is a very interesting I enjoyed reading this alot I have a spyware removal board also at http://www.spywareboard.com

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Mountains of data[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jun 17, 2004 at 10:57:08 AM PDT

Does any really know what is done with all that spyware data. It would seem to be so much information collected that it would take an army to get anything useful extracted. I seems clear they really want to know something about you, but what? Any insites from the spyware writters? My guess is this is just another form of virus - it jams up your system, causes grief and worry.

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It gets turned into marketing data[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by grolaw on Tue Jul 13, 2004 at 09:53:29 AM PDT

One way or another, the data collected has to turn a profit.  Four years ago Doubleclick acquired a direct mail company for $120meg.  See, http://www.directmag.com/ar/marketing_double_click_acquires/

I rank the spyware boys on a par with the spammers - except spammers are more like mosquitos - they eat and run and spyware is like a tick or leach - they hang around for a long time.

One legal area that hasn't been addressed is the spyware's collection of private data, i.e. your doctor's communications or your lawyer's communications & research.  

I wonder if there is a market for up-to-the-minute reports of legal research where one party wants to know where the other will hit them next in close-fought litigation?  

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