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Reader Voices: Spyware Spread

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Apr 27, 2004 at 10:47:21 AM PDT

A recent gripe about programs on HP computers that "phone home" prompted a wide-ranging discussion on the subject of spyware.


The spread of spyware is becoming a major headache for many IT organizations. "I am a desktop support technician that works for an organization with somewhere in the neighborhood of 1600-1800 machines," wrote one reader. "In the past year, I wouldn't hesitate in saying that upwards of 30%-40% of our calls involve ‘slow computer, no internet, constant pop-ups.’ After a session of your spyware detection program of choice, there’s usually a couple hundred pieces of spyware in the machine, and after a reboot ‘like magic’ the machine is working again. This problem has gotten so ridiculous that we're probably going to have to consider buying a paid-for version like Ad-Aware Plus or Spy Sweaper that actively monitors the system for spyware to handle this problem. Keep in mind this is just the stuff these folks get from browsing the Internet."

Many readers felt the problem is that too many companies are ready to cut deals to include spyware with their products. "Until there is a thundering rage from all computer users for these sort of background activities to stop, all parties involved -- save for the consumer -- will continue to profit from this kind of software," wrote another reader. "Each of these companies may just put ‘a little something’ on a computer to help them generate some revenue, and that may be innocuous enough in itself. But when there are hundreds of such companies with dozens of such programs each, they are completely capable of ruining the computing and online experience for their customers and even costing them substantial amounts of money to have their computers wiped of this trash and restored to usable condition. Now, we all know the amazing success rate of getting everyone riled about something that is really too esoteric for the average person to care about. So I suppose our only hope is that this whole spyware/adware industry will clog its own mechanisms with the overload that is generated, and that the something-for-nothing industry itself will implode in due time."

While some argued the finer points of what is and is not spyware, virtually all agreed that more disclosure is needed. "WildTangent and BackWeb may not technically be spyware, but the salient point is that they are installed without the owner's knowledge and consent," wrote one reader. "As an experienced VAR, I can state beyond a doubt that computers are more stable and perform better after I uninstall those ‘features’ for my customers. I hate to advocate government intrusion into anything, but in this case I think what is needed is a law that requires a plain English declaration ‘Notice: this computer comes preinstalled with programs which are designed to collect and report information about you, and which may make your computer run slower and crash more often.’ If you are considering buying an HP, also add to the cost $50 to $100 that you will soon spend on a guy like me to clean up all the stuff you don't need or want, tune the system so that it works reliably, and create or order the recovery media that you didn't get with the computer and you otherwise don't know you need until it's too late."

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Spyware problem[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Sun May 02, 2004 at 12:00:42 PM PDT

I'm a computer tech with 20 years experience and I have to say Spyware is now - by FAR - the number threat to computing today. There certainly isn't a computer coming into my shop that doesn't have spyware on it (if they attach to the internet at all). I use Spybot and Ad Aware and have recently had to add Hijackthis to the mix in order to remove it. There is now a program from Coolware that exhibits some of the same elements as a virus: it's virtually impossible to remove and it replicates itself when it IS removed. I am seeing at least 10 computers a week that are coming to MY bench SOLELY as a result of spyware. I FIRMLY believe that there needs to be a precendent set: make the computer a piece of "private property" so that "tresspassing" on it can be declared a crime. Gunner

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spyware[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by mstrugar on Sun May 09, 2004 at 08:51:43 PM PDT

your right spy ware is the devil and all of our machines are open to be attacked. matt

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trespassing and spyware[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Wed Mar 30, 2005 at 11:37:23 AM PDT

The case for trespassing may be stronger IF you make the computer a permanent fixture of your residence (not rental). Bolt it to the house, or attach it securley, and then it may be considered as part of the house, and therefore trespassing would be easier toi prove. Let me know what you think of this idea. Email me at simpsonsales@comast.net

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What about businesses suing spyware companies?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Mon May 03, 2004 at 10:25:25 AM PDT

Think about it... If a company does a decent job of locking down a workstation (not too tough to do with Win2K/XP clients), and the users are clearly informed about not installing apps, then any spyware really wouldn't be installed by the user and would probably need to take advantage of security holes to work. A company could then raise flags for certain IPs/domains and trace back to where it was coming from. Then a big company (i.e. a bank) can sue the spyware companies out of existence... Hell, their legal departments could probably make such sneakware "agreements" their employees "sign" be null & void, saying that the person doesn't speak for the company & can't enter into contracts involving company property. Thus the spyware was installed on a company PC without permission, thus entering the company into a disallowed "agreement", thus costing the company revenue that can be recovered...

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but the small guy ??[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 04, 2004 at 02:19:23 PM PDT

What can the home PC user do to stop these intrusions. I have to clear off spyware every other day now and im fed up. Is there any legal action an individual could take, or is it hope for the big wigs to "suu them out of existance".

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There is...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 05, 2005 at 10:48:17 PM PDT

...don't browse with IE. Use Firefox.

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