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The Worst Sneakwrap Agreement

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Mar 04, 2004 at 08:40:17 AM PDT
Just how bad can sneakwrap agreements be? Well, I'll tell you, but it might cost me $15,000.


Last month Yale Law School's LawMeme site had a rather fascinating discussion about what it thought might be the worst terms-of-service agreement ever. And certainly a good case can be made that the "agreement" - for an online museum of historic railroad photographs - is just that. With more than 20,000 words of tortured, self-parodying legalese, including a few nasties like a $5 million liquidated damages clause, it's certainly one of the worst I've seen.

But maybe not the worst. Over eight years ago a reader first called my attention to the license agreement for "The Breeder's Standard," a software package for dog kennel owners and breeders from Man's Best Friend Software, Inc. (MBFS) of Antioch, IL. Although considerably more concise and professional in its language than the railroad museum terms, MBFS's software license agreement had quite an array of liquidated damage clauses of its own, including $1.5 million for any violations of broadly-worded non-compete clauses. My favorite part though was the $5,000 liquidated damages one agreed to pay for any credit card chargeback (i.e., a charge that's reversed after the cardholder disputes it) made against the company for whatever reason.

The LawMeme story got me to wondering if MBFS and its over-reaching EULA were still around. Sure enough, the company itself seems to be going strong, and I've been able to confirm the EULAs that appear in its recent manuals are very much the same. Violations of the non-compete language will now cost you a mere $500,000, but the chargeback charge has inflated to $8,000. And you still "expressly confess, in the event of such a 'chargeback', that such chargeback constitutes fraud and confess such fraud." Chargebacks are a pain for merchants, but they are also the first line of defense for consumers against undelivered goods, duplicate charges and merchant fraud. So there's a Catch-22 quality in the MBFS license agreement that you almost have to admire for its audacity.

But MBFS's lawyers haven't just been coasting for these last eight years. What I find even more interesting than the software EULA is MBFS's website user agreement. In particular, it adds yet another set of offenses for which you owe liquidated damages:

"By using the Site, you agree, for a period of one year from the date and time you last use the Site, not to publish any private or public derogatory comment about MBFS, its products, service, or employees (past or present). By 'publish' you agree we mean any private or public communication, regardless of method, between you (or someone acting at your direction or for your benefit) and one or more other people. In the event you violate this provision, you agree that it is impossible to determine the damage that MBFS will have suffered. Therefore, in lieu of a trial or hearing on damages, you agree to pay MBFS the sum of US$10,000 per publication as liquidated damages and not as a penalty."

In other words, anyone who visits the MBFS website for any reason whatsoever has supposedly entered a solemn contract not to say anything bad about the company for a year. I wouldn't treat a dog like that, much less a prospective customer. Oops, is that a derogatory comment about MBFS? Actually, though, we don't have to put too fine a point on what MBFS might or might not consider derogatory. Just in discussing the contents of an MBFS web page with any third party that include "previous, current or prospective customers" of the company, I've violated another provision of the user agreement that carries a $5,000 non-penalty.

OK, the possibility of MBFS getting a court to enforce any of these terms against me or anyone else is quite remote. Even with the DMCA as part of it, copyright law is pretty clear on fair use rights like quoting excerpts of text for public commentary and criticism. And this thing called the Constitution mentions something about a free press and free speech.

But let's not kid ourselves either. These outlandish user agreements might seem like a bad joke, but they reflect ideas about contract formation and intellectual property that have been gaining ground in our legislatures and our courtrooms. In that respect, the worst sneakwrap agreement of all might be the next one you don't read.


Update [2004-3-5 18:44:29 by Ed Foster]:As MBFS CEO John Tamburo notes in his post below, some of the terms referenced in this story have now been removed from the company's website user agreement. The old agreement can be viewed here.

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More on that Sneakwrap[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 04, 2004 at 10:19:39 AM PDT

Ed, you missed the part that says you give them unconditional permission to use anything you say in any way they want. And it looks like they will never take you to court, but to some binding arbitration organization that they no doubt have contributed to and would have some sway over. OOPS, is that violating anything? I didn't read the sneakwrap at the arbitration site. I guess I'm in a heap o' trouble.

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National Arbitration Forum[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 07:49:37 AM PDT

They are an honest reputable outfit and many companies use them. They are probably the best arbitration company anywhere.

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MBFS are also spamming me[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 04, 2004 at 01:06:45 PM PDT

... spam defined as any mailing list you CAN'T get off. Being interested in their product, I signed up on their "product updates" mailing list several years ago. About two years ago they switched to sending it in particularly evil HTML, and I decided that I wanted off the list. Since then I've tried several times to get off the mailing list, but all attempts have failed: the unsub page doesn't work, and no one at any MBFS email address answers my requests either. (Next time, I'm going straight to their provider with my complaint.)

Between the above, and having now been made aware of their draconian (but **unenforceable) website "EULA", I will never under any circumstances buy ANY of their products. Obviously, they've become a completely horseshit company.

** "By reading this comment, you agree to pay me One Million Dollars" is exactly the same sort of "Webpage EULA". But since you did not agree to the "contract", it is likewise unenforceable.

However, the MBFS bullshit does serve to frighten average folk (who don't know any better) into never giving MBFS any "bad press".

I have a suspicion MBFS's "agreement" may even be illegal -- if so, it would be nice to see some bright lawyer put an end to this crap.

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heh, a trick i always wanted to try....[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by kevin on Mon Mar 08, 2004 at 08:00:54 AM PDT

amazon used to have me on a list where the only way you could get off was with the credit card numbers to "prove" who you were.  Of course my purchase had been years ago with a credit card long cancelled....

Anyway, until they removed me I thought a cute trick would be to set up a fowarding e-mail rule that would:
a) forward the spam to the highest e-mail address I could find for the company (plus support, marketing, whatever, etc....)
b) add an intro paragraph that reads:
"This message is spam your company sent to me.  I've auto-deleted it so I've not seen it.  This forward is automatic.  Everytime you send me spam, you'll receive a copy of it.  Please remove me from your mailing list."

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sounds safer than using a current credit card![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Tue Mar 09, 2004 at 10:09:57 PM PDT

Because after all if the numbers they require are for a "dead" credit card, no man-in-the-middle can use it (ie. steal it). Talk about a scary sort of insecurity -- just about like the current phishing spams. What a lovely thought, deluge someone deserving with all the spam their underlings are directed to send. :D Turns out MBFS now has TWO mailing lists -- one plaintext that has a reply-option remove, and one HTML that used to have a link to a removal page (which has NEVER worked) but no longer does. Will be "interesting" to see if the "remove by reply" works for one, both, or neither.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#65)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:56:56 PM PDT

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We have only one downloader mailing list[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by John Tamburo from MBFS on Wed Mar 10, 2004 at 07:47:47 AM PDT

The remove option removes an address from both. We have decided to stop sending HTML and revert to plain text except for the newsletter.

Thanks
John

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The Worst Sneakwrap Agreement[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 04, 2004 at 02:24:36 PM PDT

Hey, email them with your own contract. E.g.: "By giving me thoughts from statements on your web page, you agree that if anything makes me lift an eyebrow, you owe me a trip to the moon on gossamer wings," etc. peace tg

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Reply to the email[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 04, 2004 at 05:50:36 PM PDT

Create an automatic reply that responds to their email from them : "By sending email to this account, you agree to the following conditions : ........ " Insert whatever you like.

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MBFS[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 05:45:04 AM PDT

This column is LONG overdue - thank you so much for writing it! Favorite phrase of this company is "I'll sue!", invoked against ANYONE who dares to complain or point out anything negative re: product or support. Don't forget, they bought out RCI Software after the death of the Ritters... the once reputable CompuPed/CompuShow product is also one to avoid - STILL in beta: "As of August 13, 2002 - Final Release date, and end of Presale Prices, is presently scheduled for August 19, 2002. Save money NOW with the presale!" As of the September 21, 2002 update of the website - the Final Release date is September 26th. On October 16, 2002 the Final Release Date is October 23, 2002. On November 23 and November 28, it's still October 23, 2002." Post from JT of MBFS 3/1/2004 "Above emphasis was mine. Again, we've gone over this so many times it's getting to be a strain. As of right now, Beta 9.2 is up and running, dated last Friday. Beta 9.3 is expected in the next 2-3 days. with the completion of flag/unflag and Query find/repeat. After that we have only the templates and program help remaining before we go final." Always full of excuses, yet ancient web pages have reported record sales... has the IRS ever checked them out?

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They treated me alright![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 07:26:24 AM PDT

Everyone is looking for some way to attack and abuse providers. Nowadays people don't think twice about going online and calling someone a thief and crook because they can't figure out how to use the product or because they did not get a callback in five minutes or any other reason. The bad part about this is they go and tell 10,000 people on the mailing lists and try to ruin someone's life and laugh while they do it. I had a tech support issue with MBFS dog software and I called Kathi at their support department and let me tell you I was upset but she was nice to me and she helped me and it took all of fifteen minutes. The comp-u-ped thing is something else and I don't know why they took so long to finish the program but they did release that 9.3 yesterday and it looks like they are working on it. Considering all the nastiness that people in their market have no wonder that MBFS is gun shy. If people would go out and slam me into the ground for kicks whenever I tried to do something I might do the same thing.

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JT Kept his word[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 08:06:41 AM PDT

He said on 3-1 that Beta 9.3 would be released in 2-3 days and on 3-4 it came out. As for the IRS they check EVERYBODY. If they are in business they paid their taxes.

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Lookout![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 11:36:09 AM PDT

Lookout Ed!

You'll get a PRIVATE E-mail soon if you haven't already!

What will it say?

"I AM GOING TO SUE YOU! YOU HAVE CAUSED ME TO LOSE BUSINES!"

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the IRS?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by kevin on Mon Mar 08, 2004 at 08:05:32 AM PDT

Why would the IRS check them out?  All the IRS cares about is if you pay taxes.  They don't care if you got the money robbing old ladies on the street as long as you pay taxes on it.

Better place to check is the better business bureau to see if any complaints have been filed.


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Tamburo, taxes and CompuPed[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#42)
by Anonymous User on Sat Apr 09, 2005 at 02:15:28 AM PDT

According to recent bankruptcy documents filed by Mr. Tamburo he doesn't pay his taxes nor is he able to finish the CompuPed Millennium product.

His court documents show he owes the IRS over $160,000.00 and his sworn statemts include "The Millennium edition of CompuPed is almost done, but I lack the funds to pay to complete the programs."

The shocker is he is still pre-selling CompuPed Millennium licenses over five months after telling the court he will not be able to complete the program.  Remember he is the one who has "All sales are final" to make sure his customers don't cheat him.

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I have Compuped[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 27, 2006 at 07:40:01 AM PDT

I have compuped and I have the final release of compuped millennium and it works just fine so I don't know what you are talking about.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#71)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:16:36 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#67)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:57:04 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#59)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:43:35 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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They treated me alright![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 07:28:12 AM PDT

Everyone is looking for some way to attack and abuse providers. Nowadays people don't think twice about going online and calling someone a thief and crook because they can't figure out how to use the product or because they did not get a callback in five minutes or any other reason. The bad part about this is they go and tell 10,000 people on the mailing lists and try to ruin someone's life and laugh while they do it.

I had a tech support issue with MBFS dog software and I called Kathi at their support department and let me tell you I was upset but she was nice to me and she helped me and it took all of fifteen minutes. The comp-u-ped thing is something else and I don't know why they took so long to finish the program but they did release that 9.3 yesterday and it looks like they are working on it.

Considering all the nastiness that people in their market have no wonder that MBFS is gun shy. If people would go out and slam me into the ground for kicks whenever I tried to do something I might do the same thing.

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Arbitration[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 07:30:07 AM PDT

I looked at their arbitration clause and national arbitration forum is a well respected organization. They are not affiliated with any company.

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I'll sue! I'll sue![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 11:30:11 AM PDT

You should read the outlandish claims: if you use someone else's program and you say you like it better, I'll sue! if you tell someone you don't like the product and wouldn't recommend it, that's 'interference with the business' and yep, I'll sue! if you and someone halfway across the country have a private discussion and mention he'll sue, whoops! I'll sue! Did you miss the part about if you have an idea and he hears about it, he'll TAKE IT!

There's plenty more to know: a simple search of IL legal database reveals multiple bankruptcies by the owner, and judgements by vendors against the company. FedEx is one that the company owes money to. Others are with collection attorneys. Gee, if this is the "Number One" software program in the world (their claim) how come they can't pay their bills? (Oh, they don't ship products anymore if they can help it, there's a $2 discount *koff*koff* to download. Think that's because FedEx won't deliver anymore?)

They've collected FULL PRICE for both alpha and beta versions of the Comp-u-ped software for almost three years. Someone mentioned 9.3 is out - that's another BETA version. The program doesn't have full features after three years of programmers being deported, 10,000 lines of code being removed (hint: delete key), copy protection being changed (done within the first few months), no programmers, only hired one for three months (her resume says so), no progress for over a year, now maybe some progress, who knows??? This is a laughing stock for a business model.

There was a statement by the owner that someone had "ripped off" his database files and so he took them down. Funny how he's not so sue happy over that one - must be more to that statement that just the one sided version. If you ask the  so-called offending party, gee, there was an AGREEMENT. So you don't just dump on your customers, you dump on the partners as well.

And look, their NEW program wants to collect ALL YOUR DATA when you log into THEIR SITE (does that "online service" ALSO have the same EULA and TOS?) to use it. And you pay to give them your data! With all this company has done, and all the ways they've treated their customers, sorry Charlie. I ain't touchin' this tuna!

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NASTY! Below the Belt![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 01:37:24 PM PDT

Your comments are rude and vicious. If you are this guy's typical customer no wonder he felt like he had to protect himself!

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Nasty?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 02:38:40 PM PDT

If he'd taken your money three years ago and you still did not have a working product, would you be a "happy" customer? Read the shrinkwrap above - you are not allowed to file a claim with your credit card company to get your money back, or he files "fraud" charges against you.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#60)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:41:54 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Oh yes nasty you spent $ to dig up dirt...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 03:29:29 PM PDT

I checked on what it costs to run a public records search on a person and a company and it is not cheap. You made it clear that you are out for revenge. You spent over $100 digging up dirt on the poor guy or you lied. Either way you are the one who behaved poorly.

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Pooor John[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 06, 2004 at 08:42:21 AM PDT

Poor John, hitting too close to home?

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#64)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:56:52 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Below the belt is right[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Sat Mar 06, 2004 at 03:43:08 PM PDT

I am appalled by this person's viciousness. Then when someone calls him (or her) on it the only comment the person comes up with is to accuse the poster of being the company owner. Well the company owner posted here earlier and he wisely ignored your slop. I know who called you nasty and HER name is not John and SHE does not work with MBFS. I am also not named John and I do not work with MBFS. You need a shrink. And a straitjacket would be a great idea.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#62)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:56:32 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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The Attorneys??[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 11:41:56 AM PDT

Actually, the OWNER is the ATTORNEY who wrote this ... stuff.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:16:18 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Anymore?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Mason on Fri Mar 05, 2004 at 01:35:16 PM PDT

You won't enforce it anymore?  

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#70)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:16:32 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不ࠄ