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Scam Artists Abuse Web Phone Relay Services

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Fri Mar 12, 2004 at 02:20:33 PM PDT

Several readers have reported a new scam that uses phone relay systems for the hearing impaired such as AT&T's Internet Relay Service to defraud merchants and businesses. Even the Nigerian spammers may be getting into the act.

The relay services allow the deaf and/or mute to place a call over the Internet, sending and receiving text that is relayed by an operator. But it appears that privacy policies designed to protect relay system users can also be used by scammers to avoid detection.

"I have received approximately a dozen relay phone calls from people who want to order a large quantity of items, typically HP inkjet cartridges, HP printers, or hard drives," a computer reseller recently wrote. "The caller does not negotiate price, accepting whatever I have quoted. Neither are they willing to identify themselves, and will only pay via a credit card. Typically they will refuse to provide a personal or company name, and won't agree to pay in advance via check or bank draft. I'm certain these are schemes to defraud innocent sellers like me with stolen credit card information."

The reseller thinks the scammers are taking advantage of the anonymity the relay services provide the caller. "ATT operators and customer service personnel have told me that they are bound by FCC rule to not disclose any information about the contacting party during a Relay call," he wrote. "They have also stated they are not allowed to trace or otherwise verify who the caller is or where they are calling from."

Another reader reports receiving a relayed phone call for what sounded like the old Nigerian ambassador's son scam. "How low can these people get?" marveled the reader, who believes the scammer got his name and phone number from his company's website. "First they ruined e-mail, now it looks they're going to try to destroy this service for the deaf."

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Not only the big boys....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 18, 2004 at 11:32:11 AM PDT

I got a call last week trying the same thing. We are a small medical supply company and got a request to send stethoscopes to a Nigerian hospital via relay. Got nervous, especially when they checked back twice to see if shipped yet so had CC co call cardholder and found its a scam. No website to pull number off of, got us from 800 phone directory perhaps. Spent hours on call/order before we figured it out. We do have some clients that travel to places like that on charity work so it's not totally inconceivable that someone may order but they usually take it not ship it....And most people would balk at the 200.00 shipping charge... Even the hospitals there have to steal? Or was thief being nice and donating them? It did seem to be going to the hospital. First credit card fraud we've seen in 10 years in business. Since we didnt process it, noone cared :(

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grr[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 18, 2004 at 11:33:32 AM PDT

hate boards that take out all the spacing and make a blob out of my posts :(

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blob post fix[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by webmaster on Thu Mar 18, 2004 at 03:57:14 PM PDT

There is a box at the bottom of the comment entry form that will allow you to change from html formatting to plain text(which will not make a blob out of your post).

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by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 07, 2008 at 06:46:58 AM PDT

SCAMS USING IP RELAY[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by ScamBuster on Thu Apr 08, 2004 at 04:18:51 AM PDT

This is a rampant abuse of a public system phone system for the deaf that has been going on for about 2 years. SEE www.ip_relay_scams.aimoo.com for comments from the Relay Operators who process them and much more about this scam.

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I got two calls like this....[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Sat Apr 10, 2004 at 03:18:09 PM PDT

I work for a keyboard instrument retailer. I get two phone calls in the same day from this service where the client asked for a specific model of a portable keyboard, of which we do not carry anyway. I find it odd that someone who is deaf using this service would be interested in a musical instrument. Don't you?

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Relay phone scam[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Fri Nov 05, 2004 at 12:44:23 PM PDT

I work in a computer shop, and we recently started getting relay phone calls from a person requesting large amounts of RAM. He did not negotiate the price and seemed more than willing to pay by credit card, several of them in fact. We are a small shop right now, so we are not set up for credit cards yet. We would have to use our own money up front. We were more than a bit suspicious...now that we've done some checking around, we decided to pass on this. Be careful out there!

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relay service phone scam[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 08, 2004 at 04:02:23 PM PDT

We have a small jewelry store and have received 4 relay service calls within the last 6 months, trying to purchase large quantities of watches all to be mailed to nigeria. We were nice and checked out the first one as far as we could before telling the "customer" that we couldn't verify his credit card and were unable to process his order. Since then, we listen and answer the first few questions, then tell the relay operator that we are disconnecting because we feel the call to be a fraud attempt. Is there nothing that can be done to track, report and prosecute these people? We feel that our web site has given the scammers our phone number and information.

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tty scam Nigeria credit cards stolen[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Thu Apr 29, 2004 at 11:58:07 PM PDT

My friend with a local shoe store in s.e. Kentucky, just got taken on the same scam, they got her # from thin air, called on a tty relay from god knows where? and ended up duping her for 360.00 worth of high end shoes shipped to Nigeria, buyers name is moshood alade, on lagos island, nigeria... sellers beware... she said he was smooth and she had no idea of being taken...
The credit card was valid at the time of purchase, 1 week later, she was told the card was reported stolen...
so why is the merchant left holding the empty bag??? if the funds are good at the time of inquiry? does the credit card company have a clue, or not care due to being paid back, with no guilt???
It seems they do nothing to check out the so called stolen card charges... There needs to be some kind of international law set to keep the merchants from getting screwed... any ideas? hope this helps the next soon to be victim...thanks, Zad@zadious.com

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We caught one....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jul 08, 2004 at 06:58:53 PM PDT

I had a TTY type scamer contact my business and place an order with a stolen Credit Card. Figured out what was going on and contacted local Law Enforcement. Criminals were arrested today! Law Enforcement officers working hard to prosecute! Matt Adams sales@shorefast.net

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scamers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 22, 2004 at 07:35:04 PM PDT

PLASE HELP!!I JUST SHIPPED 6 CELL PHONES TO NIGERIA WHAT CAN I DO TO STOP IT IN IT'S TRACKS. THIS JUST HAPPENED FRIDAY 8/20. PLEASE TELL ME WICH AUTHORITIES TO CONTACT SO WE DO NOT GET STUCK TOO BAD. CAN STOP PAYMENT ON THE CHECK FOR POSTAGE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CARD CHARGE. VAL

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Catching them in the act[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 06:55:55 PM PDT

I was listening in on a phone call (during training to be a relay operator) and it was for an order of laptops. Poor reverand had to make his own calls...couldn't get anybody in the congregation to make it for them. He just wanted laptop, didn't matter what it was.

I may not be an expert on laptops, but when asked what kind they had in stock, the person said they only carry one brand...sager or something I never heard of. Now, if thats a legit brand, than I apoliges in advance. But if you suspect you are being frauded, make up a brand and if they still want it, than its probably not legit. If I were to buy a brand, I would want Toshiba, or Sony, or something...not Sager.

But they buy all sorts of crap. one wanted these tennis racquets that nobody had. Had a very specific model number. If you suspect its a scam, and even if you have it, I'd say something like "We don't have that exact model in stock, but we have a better alternative for just $25 more. The grip is better, the ..." whatever. Call the brand "duarf" or something that is spelled backwards. A legit person knowing tennis racquets would probably say they never heard of it, and thank you or soemthing...a nigerian will see the potential of getting soemthing from you.

Its pretty simple to spot them though..why are they calling you, an insignificient store, where they should be contacting a wholesaler to get for cheap?

Oh, the tennis raquet guy wasnt getting his raquets, so the 3rd or 4th call he became a doctor wanting stethescopes.

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got one today[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jul 29, 2004 at 03:50:58 PM PDT

got one today to order sunglasses to send to his company in Nigeria.

Sulaimon IBrahim
21 Atiko St.
Lagos Island, Lagos State
Nigeria 23401

I told him we're unable to take his order today and he hung up.

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How to spot a scammer[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 08:33:01 AM PDT

I know I am braking Kayfabe (sp?). I just started working for Relay, and have been forced to process these scam calls. I was on a 2 hour call yesterday. The scammer was:

Beeb Kay
Lagos Island
Lagos State
Nigeria 23401

We cannot get involved with the calls (trust me, the relay operators would love it if the outbound (business) would hang up on us). This person had to use several credit card numbers, until one was authorized. Why aren't people aware of a potential scam yet? With all the SPAM crap in emails, you would think people wouldn't be naive anymore.

If you are a business, and you here "Nigeria", just hang up. Don't give the operator a reason (we need to type everything verbatim).

Not all calls are scams, but business owners need to protect themselves. If I were to buy something on eBay, the seller would not ship until the payment was cleared (can take 2 weeks at times).

From the little experience I have as an operator, scammers are buying the following in LARGE (200-500 pieces) in bulk: T-Shirts, balloons, flowers, greeting cards. They request overnight shipping. They request what carrier will be used (USPS, UPS, FedEx). They request that you email them, and give long email addresses from a yahoo account (even eBay sellers won't deal with yahoo/hotmail accounts). They also will not give a phone number. Last, but not least I have noticed that sometimes the seller will ask for a certain employee (ironically the employees do work there, but happen to have the day off)

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by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 08:41:00 AM PDT

The address should have been:

Beeb Kay
46 Joseph St
Lagos Island
Lagos State
Nigeria 23401

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Relay phone scam- clothing store[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 29, 2004 at 08:19:33 AM PDT

We are a small family clothing store in a small town in Michigan. We receieved a relay call today from someone in Nigeria who asked what type of clothing we sell, and then said she wanted 100 tee shirts (at $28 each) and had no problem with the shipping of $500 which we threw out there to see if it made any difference. We asked her why she was calling us and she said that "her sister had honeymooned in our state." She gave a credit card number but would not give a phone number, she would call us back "because the phone lines in nigeria are not reliable." She insisted the order needed to be shipped out in the next 3-5 days and that they were goign to be handed out to homeless people. We called our credit card processor about the card number and they said it appeared to be a good card and offered an approval code. (I am assuming that is because some poor soul hasn't yet realized he is missing his card to report it stolen.) We haven't heard back from them yet, and probably won't because we told them the soonest we could ship out such a large order would be 2-3 weeks. We tried to get a call back number for the relay operator, and she gave us her employee id number but "wasn't allowed" to give a call back number. In other words, don't call us, we'll call you. How common is this scam, anyway?

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Bookstore Scam[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Wed Sep 29, 2004 at 08:50:04 AM PDT

It's rather common, I own a small bookstore and we seem to be favored targets for such scams. They ask for the hot hardback seller (Clinton's MY LIFE) or an expensive law or medical dictionary. The book distributors are aware of the problem so if any of their customers orders 20 copies of Black's Law Dictionary, they'll get a call.

If you're business also happens to have an email address published somewhere you'll get the same thing via email. The relay service is of course a much more reprehensible medium because it hijacks a service from someone who really needs it. It's disgusting. But it works for a number of reasons, you assume the person on the other end is deaf and you want to help, and two, communicating is difficult so if the scamemr is hiding something it often gets attributed to the method of communication. I feel bad for the operators who reportately relay more scammers than actual deaf people but can't do anything about it because they'll be fired. All calls are to remain confidential and the operator is simply a relay and isn't allowed to interfer with what they know to be a scam. Obviously the system needs to be changed.

When I get a relay call I automatically assume scam and so far it's been 7 scams, 0 legits. Thanks to the fact I've seen hundreds of these via email, I haven't been taken yet. I try to get to the shipping address as soon as possible as not to waste my time and the operator's. If it's Nigeria, I end the call with "I think this is a fraud and I'm ending this conversation, goodbye". Smarter scammers have simply said, "I'll have UPS pick it up" and won't say the red flag word, "Nigeria" but it's still pretty obvious. I'm always sure to end the conversation acknowledging you're on to them so that stop using that medium.

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Relay can't give info[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 08:39:44 AM PDT

We are bound by FCC regulations, and contractual obligation. Inbound is told of our ID # right away. When we make the outbound call, We give our ID # as well in our announcement. We are NOT allowed to get involved in any conversation. The operator is to have total transparency. As operators we are not allowed to answer any questions, in fact we have to type everything verbatim. We are required to give our ID number.

Please believe me, the calls are not originating from the phone company and/or the operator.

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PHow to spot these scams[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 06:57:16 PM PDT

I am areally tired Relay opr who would love to just have calls from real deaf people and not these nigerian bullshit. Anyway, here's how u can spot a scam as relay operators know a scam right away by how they type, so u the people can also know it by how they construct thier sentences or words and what they usually order and stuff like that. 1. They almost always start with "Hello do u carry...?" 2. They order items such as books, ngk spark plugs for mercedes benz or other cars, womens/mens shirts shoes, jewelry, centrum silver , centrum a to zinc 100 or 130 counts and would need around 200 to 500 bottles etc 3. They order large quantities like 600 pieces of spark plugs, 200 bottles of centrum silver etc 4. like the pothers say they will not give out phone numbers and would only give u email addresses Pls dont hang up quickly when u hear its a relay call cause it might be a true deaf person calling, do listen to the words first before u decide to hang up and tell or say i dont like this call because it is a scam and i will report this to the fbi or better yet get the address and nigeria first so u could report it to fbi also. most of the times they hung up quickly and operators would really love it when nigeria calls hang up because we are abiding by strict rules by the company to process every call even if we know its fraud i think it has something to do with fcc ruling etc. i am just wondering why fcc does not do anything about this hmm ...

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SCAM IM chat log ----- read and learn[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jan 18, 2005 at 07:12:57 PM PDT

So here is a transcript dated 1/18/2004 the credit card info he sent (via email ) was rejected and his name and address changed over the time we spoke... this was a waste of my time. I hope you don't waste your time and or resources. bisadeaderemi: hello me: hey! bisadeaderemi: i get you me: so let's finish this via the internet and close the phone call. bisadeaderemi: ok me: so how did you come you are not using a vendor that is closer to your home? bisadeaderemi: can you get me a toshiba laptops bisadeaderemi: pentium m me: We can order anything....but you should know that we are a consulting firm not a computer warehouse. bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: cuz my son's been asking me dose thing sice last year me: You will find that it will be less expensive for you to ordersomething online and ship it yourself me: so why have you not done that? bisadeaderemi: am travel out that why i want you to do it for me and send it to them me: shipping to alaska and then to nigeria will be more expensive than just shipping from wherever you plan to travel to bisadeaderemi: cuz i believe i can true you to send you my money to order it for them bisadeaderemi: i wil pay for the shipping bisadeaderemi: don't worry about the shippin cost me: I have not shipped anything to Nigeria before. Have you any idea how to ship equipment SECURLY to nigeria so one can be sure it has been delivered? bisadeaderemi: yes via dhl me: I would hate to have some expensive (or inexpensive) laptop lost in transit. bisadeaderemi: no you will give me the tracking number bisadeaderemi: if the shipping address is corect me: OK if DHL delivers there this should work out. bisadeaderemi: yea me: This is what I gathered earlier on the telephone ..... bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: do you know the knid of laptops i want now me: Your Son's Shipping address Name Bisade Aderemi 117 igbosere Rd Lagos Island Lagos state Nigeria 23401 me: is that correct? bisadeaderemi: yes it corect me: Your address information is - me: John Bisade Email address - vamacong@yahoo.com <mailto:vamacong@yahoo.com> 1594 east chestnut avenue Gustavus AR 99826 bisadeaderemi: yes me: so what do you think that he needs to do with the laptop? bisadeaderemi: i can get you me: will he be doing school work? me: or will he be doing games? me: does he need to connect the output to a tv? bisadeaderemi: yes at university bisadeaderemi: how are you going to get the laptops now me: Ok - this is what I have in mind - bisadeaderemi: what? me: We will help you find a suitable laptop and order it for you bisadeaderemi: ok me: once we have an idea what you need and can afford we will know what to order bisadeaderemi: ok me: so what is your son studying? bisadeaderemi: 1st study fineart bisadeaderemi: and 2nd study electrical eng me: so would it may be nice if his computer can do some graphic art programs? bisadeaderemi: yes bisadeaderemi: i think ever laptops can do that me: sure but some have larger screens or come with bundled art programs bisadeaderemi: yes like 17inch me: So do you have a budget that you need stay within? bisadeaderemi: yes me: how much are you comfortable paying - keep in mind used laptops can be new or used bisadeaderemi: new laptops bisadeaderemi: i think 1 each cost like 1500 dollers me: ok do you think we need to send him just the laptop or will he need accessories like a printer too? me: sure laptops can cost from $300 to $5000 bisadeaderemi: no just the laptops bisadeaderemi: what i need is 1500 to 2000 me: ok so you just said laptop(S) so do you want more than one? bisadeaderemi: so that is can have power to do a lot of work bisadeaderemi: yes it 2 laptops me: oops ... me: I guess i type slowly bisadeaderemi: yes me: ok so we are working with $4000 or less total bisadeaderemi: plus shipping 5000 bisadeaderemi: and i will give you some money for your effort me: fair enough... me: have you had trouble dealing with "standard " vendors? bisadeaderemi: no me: ok well this all seems a little unusual for us since most of our work is in Alaska me: But I'm happy to help bisadeaderemi: thanks me: OK so let's look for something that seems like it may be a good fit... bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: like what ? me: welll... I was thinking that we are looking for a fairly roubust processor me: lots or ram say 1 GB me: a CD or CVD burner me: and hopefully a larger screen bisadeaderemi: ok do you sale that one me: with a drawing program bundled me: for under $2000 bisadeaderemi: yes me: so let me have a moment to see what I can find that would be a good deal for you.... bisadeaderemi: ok me: I will not mark up anything ... I just charge for my time... bisadeaderemi: are you going to chck the stock now me: yes I am looking ... bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: what website are you looking me: http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/OutPDir.jsp?search=laptop+1GB+Burner&node=0 me: does it have to be a laptop? bisadeaderemi: yes bisadeaderemi: are you in page 1 me: I am looking into the Sony vaio k37 bisadeaderemi: ok me: there is probably a sister product with a little larger screen... me: Actually sony makes s pretty good computer... bisadeaderemi: yes me: perhaps they have one with a larger display me: the k37 is only 15 inches bisadeaderemi: ok me: currently I am looking at this page http://www.nextag.com/SONY_Notebooks~300359zSONYz1800z2150z0zB1540zmainz5-htm bisadeaderemi: in numbet what me: SONY PCG-Z1WAMP1 Notebook Computer bisadeaderemi: that nice bisadeaderemi: the price 2,099 t 2,100 me: Lowest Price: $1,899.00 me: plus we need to allow for shipping and my time bisadeaderemi: ok me: There are some faster sonys .... let me refine my search bisadeaderemi: is that one you want to get for my son bisadeaderemi: ok me: i'm considering it but let me look a bit more to see if i can find something better. bisadeaderemi: ok me: ohhh I didn't think to ask - should we consider MAC? me: they are a bit more expensive but they are great for graphic design. bisadeaderemi: what is that mac? me: macintosh bisadeaderemi: can yu show me me: http://www.nextag.com/SONY_VAIO_V505DC_P4M~58671512z3znz300359zz1z300359zzmainz2-htm me: looks good it's screen is bigger but the $2000 price is refurbished bisadeaderemi: ok me: It's hard to know if it's still in stock bisadeaderemi: ok me: or if they are stocking more than one bisadeaderemi: are you sure you are going to get that me: not yet... I am looking for the best laptop I can find for you . bisadeaderemi: ok me: Mobile Intel� Pentium� 4 Processor 2.4GHz, 512MB DDR SDRAM, 60GB Hard Drive, DVD/CD-RW Combo Optical Drive, 12.1" TFT Display, Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition here are the specs - bisadeaderemi: that nice bisadeaderemi: but no picture there me: http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=181607&store=macmall&source=zwb11877& ;adcampaign=email,zwb11877 me: excuese me one moment... ill be right back bisadeaderemi: ok me: hello are you still there? bisadeaderemi: yes me: sorry about the delay.. bisadeaderemi: ok you are welcome back me: did you find a photo of the laptop ? bisadeaderemi: no me: here is one - http://www.nextag.com/serv/main/buyer/productm.jsp?product=58902009&pdir=3&page=1&node=3 00359&category=IT&lgsearch=&lgnode=300359&units=1&shipping=Ground&sort=cond# abc me: do we need to worry about the voltage in nigeria? bisadeaderemi: yes me: I don't know what they use. me: is it 110 volts and a standard americal recepticle? bisadeaderemi: 220 voltage me: ok so we may need a different power supply for the laptop me: do you know what the outlet looks like? bisadeaderemi: yes bisadeaderemi: the laptops ? me: no on the wall....I used to live in europe and sometimes needed adapters for the various outlets... me: your son would not like it if he couldn't recharge the laptop; bisadeaderemi: i think adapters is going to be better bisadeaderemi: yes bisadeaderemi: i need the one can recharge me: sure ... I'm trying to be sure that this all works like it "should" bisadeaderemi: ok me: Ok this laptop should be fine.... look at this page - me: it says POWER :68 watts maximum +10% (16V / AC100-240V) me: http://www.macmall.com/macmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=181607&store=macmall&source=zwb11877& ;adcampaign=email,zwb11877 me: now Let me call to see if it is still in stock... bisadeaderemi: ok me: they have at least one... but i want to see what they say about the 2nd bisadeaderemi: ok me: they only have one 1 refurbished VAIO V505DC2PB me: so the 2nd laptop will cost more... bisadeaderemi: ok me: i'm on the phone with the vendor now... bisadeaderemi: ok me: do you want to order this yourself? It'd probably be a good Idea bisadeaderemi: i we send the monet to you can order it for me and ship it me: ok that will work... bisadeaderemi: ok me: all right .. bisadeaderemi: i we send you my us poster money order to order for the laptops me: I'm getting the final price with shipping for two units now... bisadeaderemi: ok me: Since we are a computer business they are going to get you a discount.... me: And I'll pass the savings on to you. me: How did you hear about us? bisadeaderemi: i saw your product in tv me: I don't advertise on tv bisadeaderemi: i think i was something like that on tv me: hello bisadeaderemi: hi me: I was finishing my conversation with our contact bisadeaderemi: do you get that two laptops bisadeaderemi: ok me: he said that he has the last two laptops avaliable me: my cost will be $3277.27 for them bisadeaderemi: for the 2 me: there is some possibility that they will be sold before you can send payment. me: perhaps you should order them online now. me: do you have a credit card so we can do this immediatly or will we have to wait for a check or money order bisadeaderemi: i want to buy it before they sold it out now to make it fast can i give you my credit card to go and order it me: ok that will work ... the only problem is that sending a credit card information over a chat session is unsafe. bisadeaderemi: i can give you my credit card now bisadeaderemi: that true bisadeaderemi: if i mail the card to you now are you going to order it now me: Yes I can order it now... If you would like to call me back on the telephone we can finish the transaction that way... me: I will send you an invoice now.... bisadeaderemi: ok g bisadeaderemi: ok me: We will have some markup for my time. I also would like to have time for checking the laptops before they ship to Nigeria. bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: when are you going to send it to nigeria me: I asked for "slow" and cheap ( 3 day shipping to my office) me: allowing for two days of "burn in time bisadeaderemi: ok me: it will most likely be about a week from now when DHL gets them. bisadeaderemi: that fine me: I don't know how much the dhl shipping will actually cost or how long it will take. bisadeaderemi: 2 to 3 days shipping express me: OK so before we finish this transaction do you want to have the computers sent to you so that you can forward them to your son yourself? bisadeaderemi: and you will charge the shipping cost in my card too me: OK that will be fine. bisadeaderemi: if i give you the card now are you going to order the 2 now me: Your total before shipping will be $3877.27 + shipping me: yes I'll order it now me: ok since I don't want to put your cred info on a "chat" line will you please call me back at 907-xxx-xxxx ? me: as you like to say BUZZZ are you there?:) bisadeaderemi: HELLO MATT bisadeaderemi: YOU ARE BACK me: oh I thought you were calling my office bisadeaderemi: NO I HAVE MAIL YOU THE CREDIT CARD INFORMATION NOW PLEASE CHECK NOW AND ORDER IT NOW me: I'm sending an invoice to you now... bisadeaderemi: ok thank you me: if you want to be sure the laptops are not sold we can accept your credit card info now. me: i just wanted to use the phone to keep it more secure. bisadeaderemi: ok bisadeaderemi: can you give me the number to call you now me: 907-xxx=xxxx bisadeaderemi: ok can i call you now bisadeaderemi: are you going to do the order now bisadeaderemi: am going to call you now matt

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We're keeping the scammer busy[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jan 19, 2005 at 06:14:25 PM PDT

We're keeping the scammer busy so he'll have elss time to scam someone else....

bisadeaderemi: hellop matt
me: hello
bisadeaderemi: hi
bisadeaderemi: why are you mail me that you are not going to buy the laptops again
me: not in stock
me: we have a better modle but it costs more
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: it'l be much better though. With titanium case and can fall 50 ft from a helicopter

without breaking. only weights 2 kg
bisadeaderemi: that nice laptops
bisadeaderemi: can you get that for me
me: your son will love it
bisadeaderemi: cuz am going to be in nigeria tomorrow
me: oh then you should just go to costco and get something there
me: that would be much faster
me: and no shipping cost
bisadeaderemi: i want you to order it for me and send it there
bisadeaderemi: cuz i don't thing there any good product there
me: ok the trycycle 3 model is going to cost $5500 each depinding on options could be a bit

more.
me: but its totally a good deal
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: how many do you want?
me: I'm on Costco web right now and need to put in quantity
bisadeaderemi: am thing about the cost
bisadeaderemi: ok
bisadeaderemi: can i see the picture of the laptops
me: sure ... one minute.....
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: http://www.cheap-laptop-and-used-laptop-review.com/docking-station.jpg
bisadeaderemi: it toy
bisadeaderemi: am talking about only laptops
me: no it has docking station too
me: so it easily can be used at university dorm room
bisadeaderemi: i need just only laptops
me: oh ok ... that option can be dropped
me: one minute...
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: here it is with out docking station
me: http://www.applelinks.com/news/gifs/prod_icurve_ibook.jpg
bisadeaderemi: it that a sony
me: excellent for graphic student
me: the sopny is out of stock
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: how many do you want?
bisadeaderemi: ok what pentium is that
me: it uses the other proc. T3 much fastest
bisadeaderemi: ok that better
me: do you want me to send you this kind?
bisadeaderemi: ok do you have another one so that i can select
me: yes, but it has docking station
bisadeaderemi: cuz i want the slim laptops for them
bisadeaderemi: pentium m
me: this is slim pentium m, but the t3 is better
me: http://www.3dnews.ru/documents/3673/asus_m2e_03s.jpg
bisadeaderemi: ok what is the cost of t3
bisadeaderemi: and what is the cost of this slim
me: i said earlier :me: ok the trycycle 3 model is going to cost $5500 each depinding on

options could be a bit more.
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: how many do you want?
bisadeaderemi: ok i want 2 of each
me: so you can spend $20,000 on 4 laptops for the student?
bisadeaderemi: no
bisadeaderemi: it too cost
me: how much then?
bisadeaderemi: i can't affor it
me: so maybe only 2 of the Trycycle 3's?
bisadeaderemi: i can spend up to 12.000 dollers
bisadeaderemi: i don't have 20.000
me: good. 11000 for the laptops. 1000 for the shipping. 1000 for my time?
bisadeaderemi: ok that better i can pay you for the effort
bisadeaderemi: i we pay you 1000 dollers for your time
me: can you pay today?
bisadeaderemi: i don't have time now i we send you the us poster money order next week
me: ok
bisadeaderemi: so that you can order it and ship it as soon as you recieve the money order
me: it will take awhile to configure and run burn in tests.
bisadeaderemi: what do you mean ?
me: we stand by our service and will run the computer for 4 days prior to shipping so we know

it's stable
bisadeaderemi: but as soon as you receive the money order you we ship it
me: will send it as fast as we can
me: but we must run the tests for at least 4 days to make sure our customers are getting the

best. you will thank us for the tests.
bisadeaderemi: ok
me: good
bisadeaderemi: can i send the money to you personally
me: ok
bisadeaderemi: but the one you send me the invoice yesterday why do you cancel it
me: not in stock
bisadeaderemi: ok
bisadeaderemi: how many laptops now are yo uign to get me fo rnow
me: so, 2 T3 laptops. you send payment next week. we order, configure and test. as soon as

we are done, we send
bisadeaderemi: t3 laptops can i see the photo now
me: i gave the link earlier. scroll to find it
bisadeaderemi: pls.give me again
me: http://www.applelinks.com/news/gifs/prod_icurve_ibook.jpg
bisadeaderemi: ok
bisadeaderemi: you can give me one of that one
bisadeaderemi: and one of slim too
me: ok
bisadeaderemi: making too laptops
me: correct
bisadeaderemi: yes
me: we look for check in mail. we will get started on ordering now.
bisadeaderemi: ok
bisadeaderemi: are you going to send me an invoice now
me: ok
bisadeaderemi: now
me: yes
me: thank you for your business
me: god bless you and your son
bisadeaderemi: and you too
me: bye bye
bisadeaderemi: am witting for your invoice now
bisadeaderemi: and don't for get to send me your personal in to send you the money

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internet relay scam[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by jackhole on Tue Jan 25, 2005 at 03:09:40 PM PDT

Hi i just read all of the above since i just received an internet relay call from a john owen in nigeria that wants to order 4 toshiba laptops with pentium 4 and internet ready. The thing that drew me to this website is a google search on this guys email address and yahoo messenger id. the same as above: vamacong@yahoo.com and bisadeaderemi for the id. This guy still thinks i am going through with this and want to know what can i do now that i have the fish on the line. please anybody respond.

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Internet Relay Calls... not just Nigeria[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by djmoose on Sat Jul 23, 2005 at 12:35:58 PM PDT

I got a lengthy one yesterday (my first, as a matter of fact) claiming to be a woman from Georgia, who got my number from a friend in Oakland.

I wasted nearly an hour before I realized that it was most likely a scam. "She" contacted me via email this morning with a long list of items that she wanted to buy from my website. So I asked for a complete mailing address to use to calculate shipping costs.

Just as I was typing this comment, another IR call came in through Sprint, and I told the operator that I was not accepting internet relay calls because it was most likely a fraud attempt that that the operator could tell that back to the caller, and hung up.

I'd love to have some way to scam them back... even it is just keeping them busy getting info that *I* ask for while I'm not planning on accepting their orders ever.

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