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Symantec Symptoms

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 08:18:02 AM PDT

The last few months has seen the biggest wave of Symantec gripes since I started the Gripe Line. And that's saying something, because customers of Norton anti virus products have long been a particularly rich source of gripe fodder. But what is it exactly that has so many readers sick of Symantec at the moment? That's not going to be an easy diagnosis to make, because the symptoms are many.


One reader recently provided his list of Symantec symptoms. "My dislike for Symantec products has been steadily growing primarily with the level of disaster of their Norton AntiVirus program," the reader wrote. "Used to be something I considered standard issue for virus problems, but it has really gotten bad over the past few years, with the 2004 version being the worst I have seen. I would cite them on the following problems: 1. Installation failures that are difficult to detect/fix; 2. Undetected virus infections, where other programs easily detect the infected files; 3. Complicated and messy hooks into the OS; 4. Conflicts with other programs resulting in poor PC performance, to the point of uninstalling; and 5. Poor technical support."

One specific issue that seems to have been driving this recent wave of complaints is Symantec's policy of sunsetting support for the 2003 version of Norton products when the 2005 version is released. "I purchased NAV 2003 just over a year ago," wrote one reader. "Last month I paid for another year's subscription to the Live Update service, but NAV is refusing to download any new virus definitions. It keeps telling me I have to renew my subscription, even though I have done so. I wrote Symantec asking for help, and all they told me is that support for NAV 2003 has been discontinued ... It's disgusting. I have an up-to-date subscription and a version of the software that I've had only a year. How can they refuse to help me?"

Another reader had renewed her Live Update subscription for Norton SystemWorks 2003 in September. "Last week, barely two months after renewing, my program stopped working properly," she wrote. "I contacted Symantec technical support and was told that the 2003 program was discontinued and I would have to purchase Norton SystemWorks 2005. I told them I had only used two months of the year's renewal I purchased in September. They then told me that if I purchased the 2005 version that night for $39.95, they would add the remaining ten months onto my new subscription. When asked if I had to purchase the 2005 edition in order to use the renewal they had sold me two months ago, I was told yes, because the product has been discontinued. I paid them for protection from Sept. 2004 to Sept. 2005, and now they want to extort more money from me for the same protection."

Predictably, some of the gripes center around Symantec's use of product activation. "I'm another utterly disgusted Symantec customer," wrote one reader. "I had a hard drive replaced, and was able to reload all software without a problem except Norton SystemWorks Pro 2004. It stated I was guilty of excess activation. I have only loaded one other time in addition to the original install that I can recall. I have tried telephone -- toll and 800 numbers -- all times of day and night, but cannot get through no matter how long I kept the line open. Online was no better, and it doesn't offer an activation fix. Needless to say they have lost a repeat customer. I've purchased SystemWorks for years, but no longer!"

Who better to diagnosis what the problem is with Symantec products than someone who treats sick computers for a living? "We specialize in computers and see a high volume of systems every year," a reseller recently wrote. "Our experience of Norton AntiVirus 2004 meant that we quickly withdrew the product from our shelves as fundamentally flawed to protect our customers. Problems ranged from boot loops, instability, random crashing, halting, no shutdown, no start up, failure of the engine during early subscription lifetime -- stops protecting and has no outward indicator to tell the user -- and activation knockouts. When installed the product is a huge resource hog taking in some cases 70 percent or more of system resources while idle. Our early experience of the 2005 product so far has been very similar, and we will not be stocking this on our shelves either. Norton used to have a good product, but now I would classify the anti virus products as junk."

With all these different symptoms, it might not be possible for us to identify one specific Symantec syndrome. Still, if you're suffering from any of them, there is one certain cure. If you need a prescription, just check out the recommendations readers had earlier this year when we asked them which alternative anti-virus vendor they trust.

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Greed[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by MycroftMkIV on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 08:34:03 AM PDT

You know, this kind of avarciousness doesn't seem to exist with products produced for Linux. But even if I was still using that other operating system, I would be using AVG, not NAV. Peter Norton should sure Symantec for besmirching his good name. Mike

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Symantech Anti Virus[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Red Rat on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:08:12 AM PDT

I ran Symantech AV for 1 year. When the subscription expired I decided not to renew and instead put McCaffe AV version 4.5 on (we get this licensed to us for home use where I work). When I install McAffee, it found two virus infected files! This using Version 4.5! Needless to say I came away very unimpressed with Symantech AV. BTW, I updated virus signatures on a daily basis, at least this what Live Update was supposed to do--but based on comments here, who knows. It is sad, but in the past days when it was the Norton utilities it was a good company but I guess when you get bigger and become the 700 lb canary, you don't have to care anymore. It seems that we are moving into an era of "let's sell them crap and they will love it". Oddly, it seems to be working!

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NOD32 is the solution for viruses.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:18:13 AM PDT

My sentiments exactly about Norton AntiVirus.   I've had many similar bad experiences with Norton's products. I love NOD32 (www.nod32.com) for  antivirus protection.  It's small,  efficient, and effective (finds viruses  that both Norton and Symantec leave behind).   It's a breeze to install or uninstall if needed. I've not had to use their tech support once in over a year of using their product on many different customers' machines. Highly recommended. Regards.

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Or if you're cheap - AVG[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:25:20 AM PDT

I've used AVG(www.grisoft.com) for years. On the precious few occasions where either of my computers actually got a virus-infected file, it caught it immediately. I've seen comparisons on how quickly the various AV products get updated, and AVG is always in the upper-third of the pack, right along with McAfee, Norton, etc. I've never had a bit of trouble with it, updates are frequent, it's fast and easy to use. Can't ask for more than that. Oh, and it's free!

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Words - Off Topic[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:30:12 AM PDT

It looks like Ed added the last paragraph after his proofreader went home.

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avg and nod32[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by wawadave on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:43:54 AM PDT

hello i think avg and nod32 would be better picks .i only have one machine still useing norton. and when def,s run out nod32 will replace it.
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Possible NAV workaround[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:06:11 AM PDT

I have Norton System Works 2003 and Norton screwed me out of a substantial rebate, although I fully complied with all the terms of the rebate. My solution was to uninstall NSW (not easy, and requires registry cleaning) and then to reinstall it, and re-register it, extending my definitions subscription. My subscription is up in Jan 2005 and I have no intention of renewing or buying NSW or NAV 2005. One of the rare times I had a virus, NWS/NAV detected it but could not fix/clean it!

BTW, I download virus definitions from http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/download/pages/US-N95.html because they are updated more frequently there than at Live Update, which is often a PITA and problematical. Anyone with NAV should be able to do likewise.

I also use Grisoft AVG (free) and eTrust EZ AntiVirus (less than NAV).

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Reinstalling works...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 04:02:10 PM PDT

For a while, it looked like Symantec was going to sunset NAV 2003 when I used the reinstall trick above with less-than-one-year expiration dates in the June, 2005 timeframe, but that has changed...  I used the trick above to reinstall Systemworks 2003 (no activation) on 11/29/04 and found NAV now has definition updates thru 11/29/05.  I just don't get that company...

(Hints for reinstalling Systemworks 2003--make sure you uninstall ALL Symantec apps, including LiveUpdate 2.5.  Then go thru your Program Files subdirectory and delete anything Symantec-related, including the "Symantec Shared" subdir (I believe it's under \Program Files\Common Files.  Reboot & reinstall.  You don't have to delete keys from the registry).

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Symantec Products[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:08:18 AM PDT

I agree that NAV 2004 is a horrible product. When I had it on my computer it slowed down the system. I removed it prior to installing WXP SP2. I replaced it with Symantec Antivirus 9 which works perfectly with WXP SP2. In addition it has no activation or subscription issues to deal with. In my opinon it's the best antivirus product that Symantec makes and is an ideal replacement for NAV.

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Virus Signature Subscriptions[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:11:42 AM PDT

I have NAV 2000 with a current AV subscription that still works (or seems to). It still occasionally notifies me of viruses in my email. It still downloads the new virus signatures. Why is it working for me (if, indeed, it actually is working) and not for so many other people. Here's my theory: when you connect to the update site for AV sigs, NAV also tells you when your program is out of date and requests that you also download new/updated program modules. I have always avoided downloading these program updates because I was concerned that Symantec was attempting to slip DRM in the back door. Could it be that since I have never installed the program updates, that is why my AV subscription still works? Anybody have any ideas on that? Ed, have you ever heard anything about that?

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Dangerous thing to do...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 04:16:19 PM PDT

You're not as protected as you think you are. Occasionally, the AV program itself needs to be updated as virus-writers find holes & make new hooks into the OS that get around the AV program (especially if it's constantly scanning). Definitions only tell the AV program what to look for--but if the AV program is incapable of finding the problem, then it'll ignore the problem--without you knowing.

This is the real danger of Auto-LiveUpdate (at least with NAV 2003). It doesn't download program updates, just definition updates. My guess is that since it assumes the program's running (whether the background scanner's on or not) it would need a reboot to update NAV itself--and that's just not customer-friendly... Why it's worse to download the updates automatically and queue up the update for the next time you reboot vs. not downloading them until you do a full LiveUpdate is absurd...

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NAV 2002 still seems to update[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 11:05:26 AM PDT

I have some Norton AV 2002s installed and they still seem to update both components and signatures. Haven't had a problem with them so far. Norton Internet Suite on the other hand is a disaster. One of our travelling dudes installed it on his laptop; we had to reformat and reinstall Windows to get rid of it. sPh

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Not what it used to be[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by MorrisNTex on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:26:04 AM PDT

Norton's/Symantec AV products are not what they used to be AT ALL! I am in-house IT for a smaller medium size Co. and I have my own part-time IT business. Like one of the other posters said this was the de-facto product for customers/clients, but since Symantec's 2003 version the product has continually gone down hill as well as their support. We run the corporate version here and it seemed to do a little better than the comercial version, I never had an issue with a bad install with it. I recently downloaded their new Corporate Version 9 CD image, created the CD and installed it on my computer back in July. Since that time I have been infected 3 times with the last time the worst, took me a day and a half to clean up all the crap-ware the viruses (That's right more than one at once - 5 different trojan's all listed in Symantec's security database) put on my computer. The first two times I was infected the program caught the viruses just as they started activity, but not before they had copied themselves to the hard drive and made one registry change. The second time I couldn't find a listing for the trojan in their database so I called Tech support and explained to the tech what had happened and the name that was being reported by their program and my concern that the virus wasn't stopped before it made a registry change. I had also downloaded the email in question that originally caused the infection to another computer that was running Grisoft AVG which had caught the virus and removed it from the email before even opening. I explained this to the tech from Symantec as well, and he then laughed and gave me some sort of explaination that sounded like a lot of non-sense. This is not the Symantec that I had been working with in the late 90's, I think they're following what seems to be a trend among larger Co's in the IT industry that forgets what a "customer" is and this is where their paycheck comes from, unless of course they have their own herd of patent/trial lawyers to bring in income for them?!?! Who knows...

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Symantc Experience[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 12:31:46 PM PDT

Three comments: 1) I steer many people over to Compuserve's (yes, it still exists) Virus Central Forum where staffers and users there have pointed users to many links on the Symantec site that solve many of the problems .... Symantec apparently just doesn't make it easy to find them. I find it an excellent source of advice for Symantec as well as other products. http://community.compuserve.com/n/pfx/forum.aspx?webtag=ws-viruscentral&nav=start 2) I just renewed our 52 seat license to F-Prot for $216. Compare that with $251 for a Norton 5 pak. 3) My first try with F-Prot came as a trial after I was fighting with Norton for "not playing well with others" and with McAfee for refusing to download updates. I had installed F-Prot on all but one machine at that point when AnnaK hit and F-Prot nailed it even w/o a def update. The Norton box got infected.

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F-Prot is great[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#26)
by Anonymous User on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 12:32:12 PM PDT

I got the F-Prot $29/5 computers/1 year license for home use about 6 months ago. It works, it's easy to install, and it's not a resource hog. Another potential Symantec/McAfee replacement is the open source AV called ClamWin. www.clamwin.com

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No Warnings of out of date dat files[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 02:09:37 PM PDT

I "inherited" a network at a rural hospital that had been very poorly managed. We're using Symantec AV Corp. Ed. After 4 months here, I'm still finding PCs that have not updated in periods ranging from a few weeks to over a year. Obviously, it had not been installed properly, but, still, it should be nagging and warning the user and the server every time someone touches it. I used TrendMicro where I used to work,and it was very easy to see what had updated and what had not. What good is an AV product that doesn't update for years on end, and doesn't send a message warning about the fact?

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Corp Edition[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:46:40 PM PDT

Propre instalation of Corp Edition requires a server that controls and monitors the application on the workstations if it is properly installed. We have been using it for quite some time and have only had update problems when the workstation runs out of drive space. You can even lock down the app so only the administrators can change the settings.

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Stop buying this garbage![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by veritek on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 09:57:17 AM PDT

If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always gotten.

The AV companies will continue to provide crappy software and suck money out of you as long as you continue to pay for it. Why would they change? After all, you keep on buying it.

If you want to send a message to the AV companies that you aren't going to put with this any more, then stop buying their garbage and move to a free AV solution, like the open-source ClamAV.

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Symantec sinking fast ...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by RocDoc on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 10:12:45 AM PDT

From the late `80's to the late `90's, I've enjoyed my experience with Symantec products. I discovered that the SystemWorks bundle did almost everything that the Microsoft OEM System Builder software prep bundle did, and much faster (as long as you knew what utilities to run, and in what order to run them). The Ghost application was truly the lifeboat of system administrators for a number of years, Speed Disk could defrag and concatenate files faster and better than any other product of it's time, and PC Anywhere allowed me to service my customers from the comfort of my bench rather than traveling to the remote system. Using these tools allowed me to take a system and make it operate as fast and as stable as possible, as well as give me recovery options in case of catastrophic failure.

Symantec has really gone downhill the past two years, to the point that I choose to no longer use or recommend their products. I can hardly believe that, after over 15 years of quality products, Symantec has come to this.

I've discovered many tools that replace the SystemWorks bundle in my arsenal of system administration applications. Best of all, no product activation and they're reasonably inexpensive. I recommend the following:

Anti-Virus: F-Prot for Windows. Ed's reader's opinions aside, when you look at the results of independent testing, you discover that F-Prot has the edge, and has maintained that edge for over 15 years. I can personally vouch for this product after over 20 years experience in the government computer security arena.

Disk Defragmentation: Diskeeper. This baby cut its teeth on mainframes and the Pro version blows away any other product I've ever used.

Disk Cloning: Acronis True Image. Make image backups without leaving the Windows GUI or rebooting. Make image backups straight to CD/DVD-R and RW devices, or across the network. No drive marking, allowing you to retain the disk in shape for forensic evaluation.

Will I return to Symantec? Well, they're going to have to do away with 1) product activation, 2) Internet access to scan a Microsoft data file for macro issues, 3) lousy customer support - both on-line and over-the-phone, and 4) sunsetting applications for no valid reason, such as new operating system version support.

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Alternative for Norton AV[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 11:55:46 AM PDT

I have three letters for anyonw who is having trouble with Norton: AVG.

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Why subscribe? Just buy new version dirt cheap![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by dlauber on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 12:08:54 PM PDT

I've never understood why anybody would pay $20 or more for an annual subscription to Norton Anti-Virus or Symantec's Norton Systemworks when you can buy the new annual version for less.

That's right! The savvy shopper can get NAV or Systemworks for nothing, next to nothing ($9.99), or very little ($19.99 for Systemworks) by keeping her eye open for the frequent sales on these products. Using rebate coupons, you can get these products for the prices I've just listed, including for free (well, actually you pay sales tax and for a 37 cent stamp). Best Buy, Fry Electronics, OfficeMax, OfficeDepot, CompUSA, and even the dreadful Circuit City tend to offer these deals in the late fall, spring, and especially the summer before next year's new edition is released.

So I suggest that folks ignore these subscription blues, and just upgrade for less than the cost of a one-year subscription (and for those who haven't in a while, you should know that the Norton products now detect a previous installation and will remove it automatically).
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RE: Why Subscribe?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 11:22:48 AM PDT

Cheap Symantic software is still junk, its just cheap junk. I have used Symantic products since the DOS days and in the last few years I have been very disappointed in their service. I received my last copy of NAV with a motherboard upgrade, when i installed it it wiped out my old subscription and I lost 3 months I had paid for. Symantics response was that's just how it is. When this subscription runs out I intend to try some of the products recommend here.

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AVG is klunky, but the real problem with NAV[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 04:13:45 AM PDT

is that it sucks your elderly relatives into a Norton Internet Security upgrade when all they want is a Subscription upgrade. One relative spent days downloading the NIS on dialup and then wan't able to install it properly and was left with a broken system until I could get over there and trash NIS off the system. What a waste of time and money. I find AVG to be unreliable for automatic updates. Best so far is Norton Corporate edition, it just works like NAV should. Mike

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tech support / customer service office relocations[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by exsymcguy on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 02:18:15 PM PDT

Symantec had a great tech support and customer service center in Eugene Oregon which opened in 1993.  They had tremendous technical training and good career opportunities for people who could develop phone skills.  When I worked there in 1995, we believed we had the best Win95 tech support available (MSFT didn't have adequate trained staff after the successful launch).  A few years after I left they closed the facility, turned it over to Stream, and opened another office in neighboring Springfield.  Stream took over tech support and customer service, offering many of the ex-Symantec staff new jobs with reduced pay and benefits.  A few years later, Symantec ended their contract with Stream and moved the tech support operation elsewhere.

A good tech support and customer service operation can improve customer relations and advocate for end-user needs to QA and Development staff.  Once you take that role out of the company, you lose some powerful communications channels.

I still think they're a good company, and the new CEO has done a good job increasing revenue, but they lost something by outsourcing most direct-customer contact.

See the Eugene Weekly, August 16 2001 article.
http://www2.eugeneweekly.com/2001/08_16_01/news.html (or google cache : http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:hRQZwlNwiSQJ:www2.eugeneweekly.com/2001/08_16_01/news.html+& ;hl=en ).

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Good CS doesn't make it work![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by ridgeback on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 08:05:14 PM PDT

Yes their Customer service needs a good kick start! That still doesn't excuse the fact that after being a loyal Norton user for three years (fumbling my way through installation "issues")I have just given up. I only three months ago renewed my subscription but I just couldn't stand it anymore. I uninstalled NIS completely installed Zone Alarm and AVG free. AVG found a massive 16 viruses on the first pass and my system appears to run considerably faster. I've lost 9 months in subscription costs but I'm still happy with my decision... in fact I would pay Symantec just to have them and their "issues" GOOOOONE.

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Network environment...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 03:06:30 PM PDT

I've found that NAV (any version) is just about worthless in an intermittently connected network environment. Just setting up the server to support distributing automated anti-virus updates was enough of a pain that we switched to MacAfee 4.51. Our update server now runs Microsoft's Software Update Server to for OS patches, and we have a download directory that MacAffee clients look at daily to get their SDAT's. And you know what, it works.

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That's The American Way[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:34:45 PM PDT

Symantec's attitude doesn't surprise me. It's a common American attitude in general: to hell with satisfying customers....all we want is their money, let them spend more money on "upgrading". It's disgusting. American businesses should be ashamed of themselves.

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Stick With Norton 2003[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 14, 2004 at 08:38:19 PM PDT

I would consider sticking with Norton 2003. It has no activation scheme and you can just reinstall it every year on a clean PC and get the definitions for free.

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We would hope so.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#29)
by foxyshadis1 on Thu Dec 16, 2004 at 01:03:51 AM PDT

It's only 2004. That strategy might last 6 years, might last 6 weeks. I'm leaning much closer to the latter, given symantec's push to sunset everything.

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unprotected and still paying[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jan 14, 2005 at 08:58:32 AM PDT

why will nav not allow me to send/rec email through msn. Of course tech is $$$$$ and i am not computer wizard, i am unprotected any help

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Symantec[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 22, 2005 at 07:57:05 PM PDT

I work in a small computer retail/service shop and for years we too have preferred the Symantec products over others. However, in thew last few months I've encountered more and more installation and update issues with the 2004/2005 products and these have been nagging me. So here I am looking for info on the subject. I see I am not alone. I too am on the verge of switching product recommendations. It just will not do to have to spend 30-90 minutes trying to resolve issues with a 39.95 product. The product should install easily. Should a part of it fail the solution should not be one 10 possible combinations on uninstalls and manual registry changes.

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