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HP Doesn't Stand for Helpful People

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:03:33 AM PDT

Since we talked about Dell last week, perhaps it's a good time to visit with another hardware vendor whose former sterling reputation for customer service has been sadly tarnished in recent years. As my readers keep reporting, Hewlett Packard's support staff doesn't seem to be inspiring an awful lot of customer loyalty these days.


"HP All-in-One printer support has been horrible," one reader wrote recently. "If you experience any problem at all, there used to be a long script, with which you had to -- shiver -- edit the Registry! How many users messed up their machines with that one? Finally, they did improve the process and scripted it from their web site. But it doesn't always work. After spending hours on the phone trying to reinstall the drivers, I did a little sideways searching and found the same problem I was experiencing, but indexed under a different model printer. So while I was on interminable hold, I tried the fix and, lo, there was great light. I tried to explain to the tech that I had fixed the problem and what the solution was. He told me that would not work. Wasn't in his script, most likely. Sheesh."

Another reader found that HP is not above pinching paperclips, or something very close to it. "In an usurious twist of the classic blades/razor-cartridge/printer issue, HP insists I arrange to have my printer shipped to some maintenance depot and have it worked on for perhaps a couple of hours at some exorbitant rate to replace one ink-cartridge plastic retention clip," the reader wrote. "As someone with thirty years maintenance and repair experience on computers and such, one would think I'd be able purchase this clip, even at a 1000% markup, and replace it myself. Uh, nope. After I politely, but firmly, expressed my feelings of disbelief and unacceptability at this arrangement, HP 'graciously' offered to accept my $150.00 paperweight as a 'trade in.' Such a deal -- I'd still be paying well over $100.00 for a 50 part."

I guess there's at least some virtue in the fact that computer and printer customers seem to hear the same consistent refrains from HP. "I have a Pavilion that's now in the third year of an extended warranty I purchased from HP," another reader wrote. "Last year, the CD-writer died. After 45 days of 'we don't have your warranty on record' and 'your order got cancelled because we're out of stock,' they finally got a new one to me and it took five minutes to replace it. Well, the replacement CD-writer died last month, and it looks like I won't be getting my replacement. The reason why is that, according to the HP rep with whom I understandingly got rather indignant, in the last year of an extended warranty the system must be sent back to HP in its entirety for the part to be replaced. So, HP finds it perfectly acceptable to inconvenience a customer for possibly several weeks just to replace a part that takes a few minutes to replace. I can't say strongly enough to people to just stop buying HP."

So HP or Dell -- which do you think has fallen further? Post your comments below or write me directly at Foster@gripe2ed.com.

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Best Buy and Circuit City[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wantobe on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:35:46 AM PDT

I know the general consenses is that you should never buy the extended warranty, but it seems to me the $50 you pay at Best Buy or Circuit City for 3 years of support may be worth the money. You're basically paying insurance that says you can take the system to them for repairs during that time should something go wrong.

Can anyone share a story of an HP purchase from a retailer where they also bought the EW? I'd like to know how that worked out if you had a problem during the EW period, and how it was handled.

Most of my clients would prefer that I come to their home and work on their computers even if they have a warranty. I'd like to save them money and heartache, but I don't know if the EW from retailers like Best Buy and Circuit City could help them or not.


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Big box warranties.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:52:49 AM PDT

It's about 20%, so it's around $200-300 for a full system, $50 for good printers and LCD monitors.

The effectiveness seems to be entirely related to the management style of your local franchise. If it's run by a gracious manager who puts his customers above all, you're likely to have smooth sailing with any problems you might encounter, barring a bad employee or two. If it's run by someone one step above a crook, they're going to weasel out of it and be largely ineffective if they do take it. Like any insurance company, I suppose; do your homework, talk to customers, and lay out a bit so you can experience their style yourself.

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Best Buy and Extended Warranties[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by plusf on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 05:04:59 PM PDT

my BestBuy story with an HP [Compaq, actually] laptop is here at http://www.plusaf.com/soapbox/bestbuy.htm

after a lot of patient pushback, i got essentiall a full refund on my original purchase.
+af

ps... not all of the hp support is bad... here's a msg from a neighbor i tried to help get her multifunction printer working a few months ago...

"By the way you might be interested in the outcome of my printer/fax problem which you tried to help me with. I finally spent hours on the phone with HP. It seems that the printer/fax machine they sent me was not the correct version to go with the software. After several unsuccesful tries, I got a technician who figured it out and sent me a new machine. Then it loaded in no time.

Thanks again for you help.
Marcia"

+af
plusaf.com
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Horray for rants.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by foxyshadis1 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 06:09:42 AM PDT

My last experiences with HP were dismal. My printer arrived with the networking broken, and I spent hours on the phone with two techs who didn't know what things like services and tcp/ip are. Every time I told him I'd already tried a step he'd just quiet for a moment and then tell me to try it as if he hadn't heard me. Their phone system is one of those evil voice lines that barely work. When I called back to RMA it, I had to go through 5 people to find someone who knew what RMA/return auth. meant just so they could direct me to the department. I was so disappointed that I wrote a strong complaint to the CEO, and got a call back from a manager.

The other problem I ended up having was a few months ago, we ordered parts to upgrade a SAN for a new server install a month later. Two weeks roll by, and only two parts have come in, still missing a few others. Our sales rep had suddenly quit as well. 5 long calls and five entirely different answers later (including "we have no record", "it shipped out two weeks ago but there's no tracking number", and "here's a tracking number but UPS's site says it's invalid"), it finally comes out that the part is on backorder and won't be in stock for weeks. Then they won't let us cancel the order without escalating the call.

Before that, I'd had a growing bad vibe about their support, but this was unbelievable.

It's too bad, because I'm very impressed with their product line overall, I just don't want to chance this happening every time I make an order or have an issue.

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The CEO?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous User on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 10:56:47 AM PDT

Complaining to Carly isn't going to do any good.  She's far too busy looting the company to worry about things like customers.

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HP has slid further into the abyss[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by RocDoc on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:34:54 AM PDT

HP, Dell, Gateway, Sony, IBM, Toshiba, e-Machines, Compaq, etc., etc., etc. ... as the seasons change, so does the level of support and product quality control. Each of the aforementioned vendors has had their day in the sun, and most are now in the nightmare stage of they product/business lifecycle.

In the early '90's, Dell, Compaq, Packard-Bell, and Gateway had a good thing going. Then Packard-Bell showed the industry how to cut corners and, in doing so, trashed their product, their service, their reputation, and finally their company. Gateway followed suit, but was able to keep from killing the company -- just barely.

In the late '90's, Compaq jumped on the boat and sailed off into the computer world's version of the Bermuda Triangle, where quality mysteriously disappears! I had hoped the HP/Compaq merger would raise Compaq out of the mire but, alas, it only dragged HP down into the "crapola".

Now Dell has begun the descent into purgatory, first with service and support issues and, sadly, now with hardware and quality control issues.

What is a OEM and VAR going to do? In the early '90's, I used to recommend Compaq, Gateway, and HP. In the late 90's I would recommend HP and IBM, or a custom built system. In the early '00's I would recommend IBM, Sony, and Dell or a custom built system. For the record, I would never recommend e-Machines or Toshiba.

Today? Who knows! For PCs, I still go with Dell because from a price/performance ratio, they still have the best bang for the buck. I can't even build a custom system as good as Dell for the price. And, with most of my clients, price matters. For printers, I now choose Epson or Canon over HP and Lexmark, due to quality, pricing, and support issues. Personally, after 10 years, I just - this month - switched from an HP to an Epson printer (all-in-one unit). I got tired of the hassles, expenses, and poor quality all the way around. Sad.

The forecast I make from my view from the quagmire is that within a year I'll simply recommend IBM and Sony laptops with Epson all-in-one printer-scanner-copier-fax devices with FireWire storage devices and USB 2.0 docking stations. No more desktops. No more CRTs. No more PS/2, serial, or parallel connectors. No more vendor tech support.

I recommend to my clients that they take the money they'd spend on an extended warranty and invest it in a "contract-for-hire" system administrator such as myself. Many hardware issues are more likely caused by spyware, malware, viruses, or the user's lack of knowledge on installation or operation. The few issues that are not are better handled by someone such as myself who has been dealing with the vendors for years and knows how to cut through the "red tape" (a euphemism for bull-pucky).

I only see heartache and pain for the end user until the industry wises up and gets consumer electronics on-par with other items such as cars or old fashioned TVs and radios. Our level of technology today allows us to make consumer electronic goods that can truly be "plug-and-play". Do we really need 12 different cables to hook up a DVD or Video recorder to our sound system? Do we really need to plug in the surround sound speaker cable into the correctly marked jacks? NO! We should be able to build a speaker that is marked as "Left-Rear", plug it into any of the dozen jacks on the back of the home theater system amplifier, and let the amplifier recognize the speaker because it identifies itself. We should be able to plug in a USB device into any USB port and not be greeted with a "finding new hardware" message after the first time installation on any other USB port.

God, help us all!

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Will you still recommend IBM?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#43)
by Rocktman2 on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 04:15:01 AM PDT

Now that IBM is selling its PC-making business to China's largest personal computer company, Lenovo Group Ltd. for $1.25 billion, will you still recommend them?

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Devil is in the details[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by Howling on Wed Dec 08, 2004 at 05:02:54 AM PDT

need to check on the details of the sale. From what I have heard so far they right to use IBM name for up to 5 years. The more important point is IBM is to be contracted to provide the tech support for the PCs.

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I don't know yet[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#45)
by tscoff on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 02:38:23 AM PDT

I have to wait and see what happens.  If the tech support staff, policies, and procedures stays the same then absolutely.  If they take the cheap way out then no way.

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take a look here[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#46)
by upsidedown on Thu Dec 09, 2004 at 09:11:19 AM PDT

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=20136

this european news feed site has been following the ibm/lenovo story for quite some time.

the above is the latest article posted on there website.

cheers

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HP won't get my business again[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by BT on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:31:07 AM PDT

One of my clients has a networked HP All-in-One, which still works, but they managed to lose the driver CD. We had to install a new machine on their network, and found that HP does not allow you to download drivers off the web, but will be happy to sell you a replacement driver CD for $25. Dell can be a pain at times, but doesn't soak you for drivers. Needless to say, I won't buy or recommend any HP products unless there is no alternative. BT

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Can't Download Drivers[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:06:48 PM PDT

We had to install a new machine on their network, and found that HP does not allow you to download drivers off the web, but will be happy to sell you a replacement driver CD for $25.

Is HP disallowing driver downloads for your machine? Or do they just not work?

Just today I was trying to download a printer driver from the HP web site, and it didn't work. A closer look at the URL indicated that my final target began "ftp://ftp.hp.com/...". I tried trimming out the redirecting URL, and it still didn't work. I changed the URL to "http://ftp.hp.com/..." and I had my drivers.

I've seen these sorts of things often enough. It is as if the URL is purposely close enough to be able to claim honest typographical error, but wrong enough to stop all but the dedicated.

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Koralle[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous User on Wed Jun 21, 2006 at 01:30:46 PM PDT



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Hi[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#67)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 03, 2006 at 05:07:20 AM PDT



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Downloading drivers from HP[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 06:42:14 PM PDT

It must be a bad case of brain cramps. Anyone can go to the WWW.HP.COM select the block in the lower right side Support & Drivers and follow it to your driver download. they had the "entire cd" listed there for one of their All-in-one printers that I could get without any problem. regards, Supertech

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Dell has fallen farthest[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:54:29 AM PDT

Dell has fallen farthest because they had better support than HP to begin with. On a scale from 1 to 10, Dell used to score 10 and HP 8 on customer service. Now, Dell maybe scores 2 and HP a 4. I think a lot of these problems stems from offshoring the support function.

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"Which do you think has fallen further?"[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by sandygettings on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:56:32 AM PDT

HP has fallen further, simply because they started so high. :(

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HP/Dell -- the both Stink[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:59:14 AM PDT

Our company used to sell more than $1M per year of HP equipment until it became clear that they were trying to go head-to-head with Dell by turning out cheap crap. The last time I purchaed an HP product was a couple of years ago. We needed an all-in-one and a specific Officejet looks like a good solution. After dealing with "overseas" support that was beyond worthless it was clear that the unit was DOA. We got a replacement unit which was also defective. Back they both went and we've never purchased another HP product for ourselves or for a customer. The infatuation that people have with Dell is beyond me. We have a business customer who had an old PC die. Dell told him it would take 3 weeks for them to get a replacement to the site. Had the customer called us we could have had a PC there the next day. Instead, the customer RENTED a PC for the 3 week period at a cost of over $ 200...so he could save $ 100 to buy Dell instead of what we had to offer. What is wrong with people?

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R2 Helpful[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:09:28 PM PDT

I've made a few calls to HP's Procurve Tech Support Department. Each time the knowledge, support and service provided has been outstanding. They answered my questions fully, resolved the problems promptly and even educated me in the process. I have nothing but good things to say about those techs. Now, muti-function printers? Cant help you.. But why would you buy a multi-funtion "anything" anyway? You are just asking for problems. IMO- Dell has dropped the ball most...

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Procurve support may be good...but...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:14:11 PM PDT

As with Dell, apparently HP still values big business customers which I guess are the primary buyers of a product like Procurve. Thus, the support is not outsourced and the engineering/manufacturing has not suffered as much as their home and small/medium business products. As for "asking for trouble" I have learned the hard way that such products are rarely what they are cracked up to be (no pun intended) but if HP (or anyone else for that matter) can't design, build and support something that lives up to the marketing hype, then why don't they realize that selling such junk only gives them a black eye? Is Carly just that dumb?

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Unhappy HP Stockholder[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 12:16:37 PM PDT

How do you think I feel as an HP stockholder, all the shares far under what I paid? Back in the days when the founders were alive, their stock--and the company--was a solid investment. The death of the founders has led to the death of the company, and Carly Fiorina is the nail in their coffins.

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Friends Don't Let Friends Buy HP[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by dlauber on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 01:19:41 PM PDT

We've completely abandoned HP products (except for our LaserJet 4000T which still runs well after 7 years and an inexpensive and easy to do yourself fuser replacement earlier this year) thanks to numerous miscues by H"s tech support. The last one was a dooozy. After installing additional RAM on a friend's HP desktop computer, I thought it prudent to check HP's website for any BIOS updates. Sure 'nough, there was one. The instructions for installing seemed strange, but the website was adament about following them. So, foolish me, I complied and upon rebooting the computer insisted on going into the CMOS and insisted on a password (my friend had never used a password for his CMOS).

A call to HP tech support turned into a 90 minute nightmare. After 45 minutes of runaround, the tech support woman admitted that the wrong instructions had been on the website for over 3 months, but it wasn't tech support's responsibility to get the instructions fixed. And since the HP computer used an Asus motherboard built to HP's configuration WITHOUT a jumper to clear the CMOS (saving maybe 5 cents in manufacturing), we couldn't fix it. After 90 minutes, HP finally agreed to send out a new computer and we just swapped out the hard drive.... a very expensive proposition for HP and a very frustrating experience for its customer.

Prior to that nightmare, I had owned an HP scanner -- which when physically broke down (the scanning light had gotten stuck in mid-scan and was crooked), tech support kept trying to blame the problem on the software. Once tech support finally understood this was hardware problem, the jerk (and I use the word advisedly) offered to have HP look at it for a $175 fee plus repair costs -- more than a new scanner cost.

Prior to that, when Windows 98SE came out, you needed new drivers and software for the HP scanner. HP, in its largess (not), would only sell those new drivers and software for $50 or so. Six months later, HP was giving it away for free -- I suspect HP got lots of complains.

To be fair, I've got a client for whom I've built a few computers who has an HP inkjet printer. HP has replaced the printer three times when it has broken down while under warranty. It's great that HP has honored the warranty. It's a sad state of affairs that the HP printer broke down so many times. The bottomline: Friends don't let friends buy HP.


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ASUS boards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#51)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jul 05, 2005 at 08:30:43 AM PDT

Couldn't you just take the battery out of the motherboard, and taken out the power of all other sorts off components of it. It would be a easy solution for some of the first ASUS boards. Not anymore. I have a friend that tried everything even flashing it and still can't change all he wants; fortunatly for him the only problem is that he just wants full control of the things he owns, and besides that everything is working like it should.

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HP Printer Support[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by sjd911 on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:09:59 PM PDT

I run a large urban ER. At our hospital we have over 850 HP printers. We have service contracts on all of these printers; the ones in the ER have short ~4 hour response times. We need these printers to print instructions and prescriptions for patients who go home and print the charts from our electronic medical records for patients who require hospitalization. Last week HP service came to the ER to repair a printer that had been down for ~18 hours awaiting a part. The repair person took one look and stated that the printer had been abused, refused to repair it and walked out. The printer had not been abused and had failed in the same way it had failed previously and been repaired previously with the same part replaced. We spent hours pushing it up the line at HP without resolution. We have initiated a review of our options for printers and printer maintenance.

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HP[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by BigG on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:57:31 PM PDT

I purchased a Compaq around the time of the takeover by HP. My previous Compaq computer support was so-so. The merger made the support go downhill.

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Customer Suppression[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 03:33:28 PM PDT

I, too, feel that Dwll has given away their years of loyalty built up in the past. I had been pleased with the three dells which I had bought for home in the last three years, and ordered a fourth. It was supposed to be my mate for the one I had bought for my wife in January 2004. In march, their website listed the 5150 and I went through the options and standard equipment. My dell desktop has a much larger hard drive than does ny wife's, so I opted for neither the cd-writer nor the larger hard drive. As I went through the options, on that date, the only battery listed was a 100 AH, and a spare 100 AH was the only power option, which I did not take. When my system arrived, I was supprised to find that the power adapter was different than my wife's for the same model, which means we have to drag our own adapter around the house rather than using the local adapter for either machine. Minor inconvenience. Rather shorter use from the battery caused me to pull it and look at it. Lo, it was a 65 AH. I had not checked the packing list for this item, as no option was listed at the time of purchase. A call to CS suggested I review their website, and suddenly, their website listed the 65 as standard, and the 100 as an option. After asking CS to review when this change was made to their website, and their response that that was beyond their ability to look into, and as their confirmation listed neither, I feel that I was entitled to the battery that was standard when I ordered it. I will no longer buy a Dell after having bought four in three years, but I will no longer recommend them to others. I do believe that I helped sell another ten or twelve machines for them. Maybe it is their directions to their outsourced CS, but my outsourcing will cst them another ten or twelve machines in each of the next ten years as I dis them when I have a chance. No wonder outsourcing CS saves them money, but it's long term cost is tomorrows problem. Tomorrow's coming, every dday now. Rich Hoglund

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"$5 Computers" and Limousine Service[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by rjhstorm on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 06:42:23 PM PDT

I work for a white box maker, and it is hard to feel sympathy sometimes for people who come into our store looking for help with proprietary systems and/or sytems under warranty. They got 'awesome' deals, but when something goes wrong, they suddenly find themselves having to call "1-800-HiIndia" for tech support, or having to ship their hardware thousands of miles for service or pay well over industry standard for components that will only fit in their systems. When will people learn that if you want to pay the least amount possible, you are going to get the lowest quality and the least amount of service?

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HP[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:23:46 PM PDT

I just read this gripe letter. How fitting that I have been working with these same issues since I bought the computer (a year ago). I have had trouble with the floppy disk Downloaded a patch which did not work. Cr driver messes up all the time and I can't use the HP support half the time because it hangs up.Thia is my third HP and it will be my last. I have had trouble with each one of them and the support has been terrible.I will try Dell next time!

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Compounding Your Mistake?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:37:44 PM PDT

I bought 3, that's three, HP's and didn't like any of them, so now I am switching to Dell - haven't you read anything here? sigh

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But Dell is cheap[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:50:27 PM PDT

Agreed. Some people will buy something strictly because it is cheap and then complain when they got what they paid for.

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HP[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 11:54:56 PM PDT

I've been reading similar complaints about HP for well over a year now. Somewhere around the time carly fiorina became CEO, the outsourcing of the employees and support began. Not too much later, the quality of the products started to go down too. I had been a fairly loyal customer of HP storage (DDS drives, mostly) and imaging products until that point. (Printer/Scanners) When I started reading more and more articles/rants about HP, I stopped recommending them at work, and to my clients from the consulting business on the side. I kept the HP products I still had, of course.

So, about 4 weeks ago, my Deskjet 932 printer refused to print color. Figuring the color cart was empty, I popped in a new one. Nope, still no color, at all. The calibration page that prints when new carts are installed had no color on it, self-tests had no color. I figured the new cart I installed might be bad. I cleaned the contacts on the cart and printer as directed by the support site.

So, I got my first experience of HP's outsourced support staff. First I had to give them just about all info about me short of my blood type. I have to repeat information several times, cause he can't understand english. Then they want the serial # of the printer, which I gave him. He said it was out of warranty, I said I know it's 4 years old. I'm calling to get a bad color cartridge replaced. Now he wants the product number from the cartridge, which I give him. Get put on hold numerous times, they finally come back and give me a case # and order #, saying they'll send me a replacement cartridge. This phone call to get a replacement ink cart has now taken close to an hour.

Now it's over a month later, still no replacement cart. Since then I tried a friends color cart in my printer, (and mine in his) and the problem is not the cart, the printer is dead for color use. Although it's 4 years old, it has gotten VERY light use over the years.

So, I picked up my replacement printer a couple weeks ago. Because of where my printer is physically located, I was worried I'd have to get another HP, cause I can't use a printer where the paper feeds in from the top. Fortunately, Canon released a new printer series called Pixma. I got the IP3000 which totally blows away the HP's in performance and value. $79 includes duplex printing, reasonably priced ink (unlike HP's price-gouging tactics on their ink carts) and 2 paper path options. Top feed and bottom feed, and you can switch trays from the driver or a button on the printer.

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$ 79[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 12:19:16 AM PDT

Wow...$ 79...that's cheap. Where can I buy one :0

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$79[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 01, 2004 at 01:49:20 PM PDT

Normal price is $99, but several stores around here have been running various sales offerng it for $79. Check the ad for Fry's if you have them in your area. If not, check Staples, OfficeMax, and Officdepot. I already had some store credit at CompUSA, plus I took back the color cartridge from the HP 932, giving me another $37 in store credit. I brought the Fry's ad, got them to match the Fry's price, and got the Canon for $22 out the door after PM and store credits.

Will the Canon last 4 years? It should at the rate I use it, but if not, at least it was less than half what I paid for the HP 932

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threw away my 952C[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#52)
by Anonymous User on Fri Feb 17, 2006 at 12:45:15 PM PDT

After three years my 952 C just stopped printing in color i tried all the typical fixes, and finally just threw it in the trash. Now i have to do the same thing with my Dell Laptop 5150 a real piece of S--t. I have been recommended a Acer or a HP 6120 any experience with these?

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:45:35 PM PDT

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