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Fighting for Financially Secure Browsers

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 09:35:15 AM PDT

We've had considerable discussion here about websites that require Internet Explorer. Financial institutions in particular seem to be prone to not letting users have their choice of browser, but one reader found that a little bit of persistence can pay off in getting them to consider more open browser standards.


"I am in a running battle with my brokerage, Securities America," the reader wrote a few months ago. "The website used to access my account will only accept Internet Explorer. There is also a disclaimer on the site that absolves Securities America of any liability for information disclosure. It seems to me that they cannot have it both ways: either they let me use a more secure browser than IE, or they should delete their disclaimer."

The reader wrote Securities America's President and other company officials saying he would feel more secure being able to use Mozilla to access his brokerage account information. "I received a letter back from their IS Security Manager saying that Mozilla had security holes also," the reader wrote. "Of course, that was the only security hole in about a year and it was patched in a day, so I thought this was a flimsy excuse. However, Securities America also said that they had no control over their website, as it's managed by Fidelity's National Financial Services."

The reader decided to try contacting National Financial as well. "I pointed out to them that when I had an account at Fidelity, their website worked perfectly well in Mozilla," he wrote. "There is no reason for a large company to write browser-specific code other than ignorance, laziness, and not caring about their customers. It is very scary to me that large financial companies know so little about computer security."

Weeks went by without a response from National Financial, so the reader feared he had struck out when a letter arrived. "National Financial does recognize the desirability of supporting various browsers, and I would like you to know that we plan on making the necessarry changes to move towards implementing technology industry standards," a senior vice president of National Financial wrote the reader. The company "has tentative plans to make changes to the architecture that supports the Securities America website to become W3C complaint."

The reader noted with satisfaction that the letter had been copied to both the CFO and CIO Securities America, perhaps indicating that his original complaint had not fallen on completely deaf ears after all. "So fighting does pay," he says. And the more customers that demand their financial institutions let them use their browser of choice, the more secure we can all feel.

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Sign me up as a customer ...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by RocDoc on Mon Nov 01, 2004 at 10:30:15 AM PDT

It truly does my heart good to see this type of customer care in light of my dealings with other vendors and their desire to not code their site as W3C compliant. I'll be more likely to sign up as a customer with Securities America when I need a financial broker! Thank you!

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I wish it were this simple....[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 02:23:57 PM PDT

I started this quest in April. It was not so simple because neither Securities America nor National Financial post any links on their sites for customer feedback. And National Financial has an unlisted phone number too.I had to track down who to write to from news articles. I also wrote to the SEC about this matter.

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Bank One[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 01:13:50 AM PDT

There was a time when Bank One was Internet Explorer only. I wrote them at their contact email address and they too responded with a Mozilla capable web site.

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Comcast[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 12:42:00 PM PDT

I had been using Comcast's website with Mozilla and lately FireFox. This month they changed to a new payment system and it wouldn't let me use Mozilla or FireFox. Called/emailed that I wouldn't use IE and would cancel cable before I would use IE. Tried again a day later - suprise, FireFox works, also Mozilla.

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Wells Fargo Security[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 01:00:31 PM PDT

I haven't tried using Mozilla on the WF site but one thing they do that scares the daylights out of me is they use my ssn as my user login id. And they don't hide it from view. So if I were to use a kiosk somewhere I could be giving anybody in sight my SSN.

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Using yourSSN as a login ID[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 01:28:04 PM PDT

Wells Fargo has no legal right to require the use of your Social Security Number as a login ID. The have finally wised up to the fact that this is a very bad idea:

Wells Fargo now allows you to select your own, personal username to sign on, instead of your Social Security number.

http://www.wellsfargo.com/privacy_security/identity_protection/index.jhtml

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If they won't change, change yourself![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by bpu webguy on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 01:34:29 PM PDT

With regard to sites which do browser sniffing then disallow the browsers other than Internet Explorer, then you can, in many instances change your user agent. I am writing this message in FireFox 1.0 PR, but this site thinks that it is
User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)
because I am using a FF extension called User Agent Switcher by Chris Pederick. You can find it at User Agent Switcher.

From the extension's home page: The User Agent Switcher extension for Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla adds a menu to switch the user agent of the browser. It is designed to provide functionality similar to the 'Browser Identification' feature of Opera and allows configuration of the list of user agents to display in the menu.

I have even been able to get to a Peoplesoft Portal that supposedly "only" supports IE on our company intranet. The only time it has not worked for me is on an external Java driven site, where some things with related to forms submit DNF. I'm almost positive, based on the way the site is built and administered that it is browser sniffing caused. Haven't really gotten to the bottom of that yet.

Other than that, FireFox has worked at all the financial sites I use, and hopefully come Tax Time, will continue to work with the rest of my financial and tax sites.....



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But that only encourages them[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by sconeu on Tue Nov 02, 2004 at 06:32:20 PM PDT

By doing so, you encourage their belief that IE only sites are OK.

You need to complain, loudly.

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I am not merely a "consumer" or a "taxpayer". I am a Citizen of the United States of America.
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I had tried browser impersonation[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Wed Nov 03, 2004 at 02:18:30 PM PDT

I of course tried browser impersonation on the Securities America Web site. It did not work.

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pretty funny[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Sun Nov 28, 2004 at 06:07:00 PM PDT

Hey, that's pretty funny. Macintosh users have been lying about their user agents for years because there have been so many sites with anti-Macintosh screening. I even ran into one that didn't want to let me download Quicktime movies, and Quicktime is the Apple movie format! Most Apple browsers have some kind of mechanism to pass as a PC, but now that I know PC users are using the same kinds of hacks, maybe we all have to rethink that Internet Explorer market dominance thing. I knew some of the sheep were wolves. Now I gather a lot of sheep are actually lions.

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A year or so ago, I wrote Branch Bank & Trust (BB&T) about the fact that their website was not compatible with Mozilla or Netscape, simply because it had JavaScript code in it that would not run. I pointed out the security problems with MSIE and the risk to their customers. I asked them to make it broadly compatible, so it would work with any browser.

I got half a loaf. They launched a redesigned site in the summer, and it now works nicely with Mozilla. The only drawback is that the site warns me that my browser might not work before it lets me in to do my banking. After I saw that it worked, I let them know, via the customer email function, that it worked with Mozilla, and thanked them for the changes (even though I am sure they were not made solely on the basis of my complaints).

My points are these: 1) If a web site doesn't work with your browser (whatever it is), complain. 2) If it says it might not work, but does, let the vendor know. 3) Always emphasize the importance of supporting as broad a cross-section as possible. Today, Mozilla is king (IMHO). Tomorrow it may be Opera, or even MSIE. Broader support means fewer headaches for them as well as for us.

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