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Stuck in Reverse

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 12:07:59 AM PDT

The computer industry as we know it owes its very existence to reverse engineering. And yet U.S. courts are now on the verge of outlawing reverse engineering and anything that remotely resembles it.


A federal court ruling last week in the case of Blizzard v. BnetD has dismayed fair use, free software, and consumer rights advocates alike by upholding a prohibition on reverse engineering in the license agreements of a software game publisher. A number of terrific weblogs have already appeared analyzing the court's decision, the frightening way it uses the DMCA's anti-circumvention provision, the threat it poses to open source software programmers, and the loss of fair use rights it implies for consumers in general. It's such a bad decision on so many fronts it's hard to know where to begin.

But at least this unmitigated disaster gives me added impetus to do something I've been meaning to do anyway, which is to have a more general discussion on the topic of reverse engineering. After I published my EULA comparison of Adobe and Autodesk usage limitations, a number of readers wrote to ask why I felt Adobe's more permissive term still deserved demerits. "Why is the prohibition on reverse engineering a bad thing?" wrote one reader. "I thought that to be a method of protecting intellectual property."

I'm not sure how it is that reverse engineering has gotten such a bad rep in recent years, with so many people seeming to have the impression that it's an evil act. But certainly part of the problem is that different people can mean very different things when they use the term. In the mechanical and chip design worlds, courts have endorsed many forms of reverse engineering as being necessary to encourage innovation and a competitive marketplace. Reverse engineering of software often involves decompiling the object code, but not necessarily. And while copyright law explicitly allows reverse engineering for purposes of achieving interoperability, it clearly doesn't permit the outright copying of disassembled code to create a competing product. Between those two poles are innumerable forms of reverse engineering that are not illegal under copyright law but are not explicitly sanctified by it either.

So when a EULA says you can't reverse engineer a software program, what does it mean? Well, it means you can't do anything that the software publisher might call reverse engineering unless you can prove it was for interoperability purposes. And proving that might require you to go court, as it did for the BnetD defendants. Which in turn means you run the risk of getting a judge who feels that the "defendants in this case waived their 'fair use' right to reverse engineer by agreeing to the licensing agreement."

The paradox here is that, while virtually all software EULAs contain a prohibition against reverse engineering, virtually all software companies practice reverse engineering of one form or another themselves. It's not just a matter of interoperability - it's a necessity to stay competitive. And it's a necessity for a society that wants to see innovative products that work better than the old standard. Hey, if Blizzard v. BnetD was an established precedent a few decades ago, we'd probably all be using WordStar and VisiCalc on Xerox Windows.

And what kind of system would they be running them on? The PC industry itself was born by an act of reverse engineering: Compaq's cloning of the original IBM PC BIOS. It's hard to imagine how something similar could happen in the incredibly restrictive legal environment we now have in this country. Technology only progresses when those with new ideas can build upon the existing standards. Our courts seem determined to guarantee that such progress can only be made somewhere outside the US of A.

< In-Line Sneakwrap | Model EULA Candidate #1: Code-It Software >


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What to do...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by mbeymer on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 11:26:56 AM PDT

This really stinks.. I hope that BnetD has the access to the funds nessary to run this through the full appeals process. If it's left standing it could be disasterous for the next case..

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:02:12 PM PDT

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We're Getting Behind[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 11:27:22 AM PDT

Have a look at the rest of the world. The United States used to be world leaders in technology and innovation. No more. Without the shakles, other countries are surpassing our technological developement. And it's only going to get worse. If you want a decent job in Technology (one that has a future) you'd better have a look at Europe.

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Vote with your dollars![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 11:33:07 AM PDT

Interesting sidebar: www.bnetd.org now re-directs to battle.net . . . Was that part of the settlement?? I would advocate voting with your dollars and NOT supporting Blizzard!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:19:52 PM PDT

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WordStar would make life so much simpler[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 12:01:08 PM PDT

While I realize it was just an expression and off the point, perhaps the world WOULD be a better place if we were all still using WordStar. I bet it would even be running on Linux and after 20 years of "refinement" be pretty much bug free.

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WordStar?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 01:31:23 PM PDT

Perhaps, but Linux wouldn't work with Windows, because it required reverse-engineering the SMB protocol. When the Klingons arrive to conquer Earth, I'm sure they'll be met by... lawyers.

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Nah, Wordstar's overrated.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 04:11:11 PM PDT

Er, Linux? There would be no Linux, since it's a reverse engineering of Unix. In fact, without the competition of feature-matching, there'd probably only be one or two OSes, an Unix (probably AIX) and a Xerox GUI, and since the concept of GUI was patented by them, it'd be the only one forever hence. Some variation on the original macpaint would substitute for desktop publishing. Why bother to improve or fix bugs if there's no alternatives? That costs money. Just charge an annual license fee and rake in the cash.

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Reverse Engineering[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by wkrostek on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 04:57:03 PM PDT

RE is more wide spread than just computer engineering. It is prevalent in the 'hard sciences' as far as I can see. wdk PE{Chemical}

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:47:38 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:47:23 PM PDT

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deai[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 02:40:06 AM PDT

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Well, we wanted a ruling on EULAs[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 02:05:22 PM PDT

This is one of the most frightening rulings I have seen, WRT software licensing, etc. The judge pretty much gave Blizzard a pass on everything.

A hopeful point, however, may be that a lot of the decisions were built upon Blizzard's stating that a person can take the software home, read the EULA, reject it, then take it back to the store for a refund within 30 days. I didn't see anywhere pointed out that you won't actually GET a refund in the real world. So Blizzard offers a "way out" of the one-sided contract that cannot actually be used.

Hopefully the appeal will point this out, in which case I think most of the other rulings won't have a leg to stand on, since Blizzard now has $50 of the customer's money, and the customer is left with nothing they case use (without giving up a bunch of rights).

There was a lawsuit about a year and a half ago in California regarding this very issue - naming MS, Symantec, and others. It basically said that you were being forced to buy software that you cannot return after opening without seeing a EULA that you are forced to agree to in order to use the software. I haven't seen any updates, so it may have been settled out of court.

The judge also invoked the UCC, stating that the court viewed the software as a sale of goods, and went on to point out that the UCITA distinguishes between media and content (he sounds like a UCITA advocate). But then he goes on to rule that the "first-use doctrine" does not apply, since the purchase was for a license, not the software. How can he rule both ways? It's goods, but it's only a "license to use"??

This ruling CANNOT be allowed to stand. It's WORSE that UCITA. It's so one-sided, it makes one wonder whether the judge was really impartial on this one. I'm sending some money to the EFF to continue this fight.

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I Agree to DISAGREE[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by PsyB on Tue Oct 05, 2004 at 03:35:43 PM PDT

While I disagree with the limitations being placed on people by clickwrap, shrinkwrap or other EULAs, the problem isn't going to go away and is the responsibility of the end user her/him self. Until the end user stops supporting the companies who support these principles. Companies that compromise an ideal which you feel qualify as a right should be denied the ability to impose their own ideals, but with the user simply accepting the EULA and then complaining about it later, does nothing. Learn to hit the I Disagree button, or Cancel when something isn't quite right - the more who do this the the more likely a company will be foced into a change - or a bankruptcy court.

-[PsyB]-
-=[PsyB]=-
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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:49:07 PM PDT

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM PDT

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More precision on RE[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 06, 2004 at 05:49:43 AM PDT

After reading all this about RE, I can only remember the story of the first AMD 486 equivalent chip. It was said they took the specs of the Intel product and gave it to their engineer as product specification.

What they did do was build a chip from scratch with only input/output and speed specifications.
What they didn't do is put an Intel chip under a microscope and try to copy it without having it looking like a copy.

If you build software starting from the interface, i.e. the input/output specs, and build from there, I can see no infringement. On the other hand, if, for example, someone find in your code their the little assembly function that aproximate square root for fast graphic engine, you could be in deep trouble.

In other words, copying the functionnality shouldn't be illegal in itself but copying the means by which it is done should be.

JR

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Think back...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 07, 2004 at 12:54:09 PM PDT

I think you're wrong... Go back to the headlines from the 1990-1994 era.  AMD and Intel were very cozy companies during the early chip era and had cross-licensing agreements going back to the '70s.  AMD took that as license to copy chip designs, let alone the x86 instruction set, and made their versions of the 80286, Am386, and Am486 lines of processors.  I had an Am486DX/40 which, from what I understood, was a copy of the i486DX/33 with a few tweaks that made it run 25% faster.  (The Am386DX/40 was the same as the i386DX/33).  Their 286/386/486 clones had the same pin design as their Intel counterparts and could be dropped into motherboards designed for Intel processors with no hiccups.

Intel sued AMD several times over the years.  But I haven't heard about any recent x86 lawsuits between the two companies (since like '97 with the Pentium MMX code) so my guess is they settled & set a cut-off point where they could use the same design.  Notice how AMD's x86 processors now follow a different path than Intel's processors, requiring different sockets, chipsets, and offering different featuresets (i.e. 3D-Now!).  Opteron is a new path for AMD, tho Intel's licensing of x86-64 is an interesting development.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 08:14:24 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:47:48 PM PDT

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Did Compaq really RE the IBM BIOS?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by edrubins on Wed Oct 20, 2004 at 06:03:21 PM PDT

Ed Foster writes "The PC industry itself was born by an act of reverse engineering: Compaq's cloning of the original IBM PC BIOS." If my memory serves me, the Compaq BIOS was developed by a team of newly minted EE's in a "white room", based on a set of specifications. They never saw the IBM BIOS in order to reverse engineer it.

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by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:49:09 PM PDT

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