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Technology Turn-Off Time?

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 12:13:44 AM PDT

Are all the latest technology toys worth the trouble? One reader recently explained why he's decided to just stop using broadband, PDAs, high-end cell phones and on-line bill payment.


"Essentially -- if anything has to talk to anything else -- I avoid it," the reader wrote. "Because it won't. Or it won't without a lot of coaxing. Or an upgrade. Or a separate service charge. Or the moon being in the right phase, you standing on the left foot, and reciting Shakespeare. In fact, a lot of my 'time saving tools' have been costing so much time spent fixing glitches caused by 'computer errors' on the part of software or the institution that I've dropped:

"High Speed Internet: The time spent downloading or uploading mid sized files on dial-up is now exceeded by the time spent downloading and installing the latest fixes and patches to keep out viruses I never had to worry about when using dial-up. Cost? Don't go there.
"PDAs: I loved my PDA -- but problems using it with the Outlooks address book always put me traveling, out in the middle of nowhere, only to find the latest update before I left wrote gibberish all over my travel instruction to where I was going, or over critical contacts. So now my contact file is back in Word, where I have total freedom with the fields and can see what I'm getting. Besides, the PDAs are getting outlawed at many of the facilities I visit, due to camera concerns (mine doesn't have one, but tell that to the sixth grade graduate behind the security desk).
"High-End Cell phones: No longer do I go for the high end with features, modem capability, and programmability. I get the basic phone. You spend more time trying to learn a new entry system, menu structure, etc every eighteen months or so than the features save you. (Not to mention the cost of the cables, software, etc.) Now I enter the number and punch whatever button I need to call."
"Online bill payment: The time spent recently correcting an error by the electronic transfer company -- which modified an electronic address on its own initiative, and sent the money elsewhere -- cost me over $300 in fees and interest charges that I never recovered and more time and phone effort than I would have spent if I had written checks for the last two years.

The reader, who works at a major scientific research institution, is not a Luddite. "I am well accustomed to making disparate devices talk to one another," he notes. " I started off in college hybridizing a Minuteman missile warhead and an AD5 computer. I did robotics design. It's not that I can't make it work, it's just too time consuming, and I no longer have the time to kill. And the lack of reliability for all of this stuff -- it fails when you can least afford the cost or the delay -- has caused me to shift reliance to less susceptible methods. Let the kids play with it. The business people aren't using it anymore for the reasons above, and no longer pay for it. Meanwhile, the software companies, secure in the knowledge they have us by the short hairs, blindly move forward with consumer exploitation approaches that will bring the whole industry down around them. . One of the reasons the economy is dropping is that new startups can't startup, because of all the new laws protecting the established and larger companies. New innovations die in the land of protectionism caused by these laws, and because consumers are finding they don't get what they pay for, and aren't willing to pay for it anymore."

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Wow, poor guy![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by wantobe on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 02:27:18 AM PDT

I'm no rocket scientist like the above reader, but if I were having as much trouble with technology as he's having, I think I'd take the last step and just move into a cave! After all, if his broadband, PDA, cell phone and online payments are all going so wonky (and apparantly it's happening all the time, and all at once) what's to keep his stove, dishwasher and vacuum cleaner from turning on him? Assuming it isn't a wood stove, he doesn't wash the dishes by hand and he uses the most primitive broom he can find.

Fortunately for me, I have nowhere near the problems he describes. In fact, I know very few people who have the problems he describes in a year, much less "when they least can afford the cost or delay." Sure, problems happen from time to time, but I know a lot of business people who use, consistently reliably, the technology they paid for, and it saves them a bundle in productivity time.

But again, none of us are rocket scientists. That must be the difference.

Rob Miles
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They've turned on us![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 18, 2004 at 06:26:37 AM PDT

>I'm no rocket scientist like the above reader, >but if I were having as much trouble with >technology as he's having, I think I'd take the >last step and just move into a cave! After all, >if his broadband, PDA, cell phone and online >payments are all going so wonky (and apparantly >it's happening all the time, and all at once) >what's to keep his stove, dishwasher and vacuum >cleaner from turning on him?

Well, given the screwed up infrastructure, particularly the electrical grid, I _have_ had those devices turn on me:  The oven has a computer which got fried (and turned into a huge warranty dispute, which I eventually won), the HEPA vacuum drive rod got too smooth to turn the belts, and the dishwasher overheated the relay on top of the motor that controls draining the water.  Now Oracle advertises grid technology, and it has the opposite effect on me that they intend.  So they're giving me a PDA at Openworld...

Anybody recommend a good whole-house UPS?

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I work at a major research institution too[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by beamdriver on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 08:16:14 PM PDT

And I have no problems with most of that stuff.
  1. I used to have a PDA, but I gave it up. I just don't have such a complicated life that I really need one.
  2. I have a super-advanced cell phone and it's not big deal to figure out how to work it. It stores all my phone numbers and addresses (hence, no need for a PDA), plays games and even makes calls.
  3. I can't see how anyone lives with dialup these days and if your reader is under the impression that he doesn't need to keep his machine patched because he only has dialup...he is sadly mistaken


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No problems here.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by PhillyMJS on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 09:20:43 PM PDT

This guy should get himself a Mac, then he'd have no worries about all the malware hammering away at his machine via his cable/DSL. Plus there's a lot less worrying about keeping on top of fixes and patches.

As for PDAs and cell phones, I did away with my Palm a couple years ago in favor of a whiz-bang cell phone (a Sony-Ericsson T68i then, now a T616). It syncs beautifully with my Microsoft Entourage on my Mac (via MobileSync, $20) and keeps all my contact and calendar info. It also fits in the change pocket of my jeans-- nice and unobtrusive, unlike those big, fragile Palms. The built-in Bluetooth means no expensive, proprietary cables that won't work with whatever I replace the T616 with in another year or so.

The only thing we agree on is that I flat out don't trust those online bill payment outfits to do everything right, either. I don't find it a huge hardship to sit down for 60-90 minutes every two weeks, catch up my accounts in Quicken and write a few checks to pay my bills. Quicken keeps everything straight, though I enter everything in my check register just in case. Mailed statements and cancelled checks = paper trail, and my bank probably has a hell of a lot more liability than the bill paying service (I bet the service has a lovely click-through user agreement absolving them from any responsibility if they screw up and your bills don't get paid).

~Philly
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Almost forgot...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by PhillyMJS on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 09:45:09 PM PDT

Just wanted to add that I don't do any of that stock quote/transaction downloading or any of the really fancy stuff that Quicken does, because that's not 100% reliable, either. Intuit also irks me with their tendency to "sunset" perfectly viable software and make features stop working just as an upgrade inducement. I just enter everything manually and use it as a glorified spreadsheet so I don't have to play the sucker's game of upgrading every year.

Just because the feature/technology is there doesn't mean you have to use it.

~Philly
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Cancelled checks--not much longer...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 11, 2004 at 10:07:08 PM PDT

"cancelled checks = paper trail"

Look into Check 21. You won't be getting your cancelled paper checks for much longer... Another example of the forced use of technology.

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Check 21[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by OldGreyTroll on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 02:06:16 PM PDT

Is there anyone else who looks at the term "Check 21" and sees the predecessor to "Catch 22"?

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Techno-Overload[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by neoluddite on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 06:25:53 PM PDT

I agree. I used to read reviews of new electronic devices with eager anticipation, but no more. I have "innovation overload." My PDA's have become like little children that need to be cared for on a regular basis. It's not that it's too complicated, but rather that what was once a joy has become a chore. My Blackberry is also my phone, but is only reliable for email. I was excited to be issued one, but fiddling with it for several days to get email working again rather abruptly caused its luster to fade.

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A few more thoughts on tech stuff....[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by WrightDavidW on Tue Oct 12, 2004 at 08:04:16 PM PDT

I agree with most of the previous comments, so I only have a few things to add: - not all cool stuff makes it, like Quadrophonic hi-fi (not until Home Theater, anyway) - to quote Scott Adams, some products are made for "Rich, stupid people", like whoever bought the first picture-phone. I know many techy people who still use dial-up internet at home, but can't live without a cell phone. Me, I am the other way around. I had a cell phone and gave it back; I really don't want to be accessible all the time, and I don't want to become dependent on something you have to remember to re-charge. And north of the 49th, bill-paying services don't exist, the banks do it all,and mine does it at no charge,in fact I get "points" for paying bills on-line that I can use for groceries. So, it depends on your experiences. The original author certainly has had bad ones, and that affects anyone's future behavior; let's all wish him better luck in the future....dave w

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Another rocket scientist, me too ![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by mclarke on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 04:11:49 AM PDT

Maybe I am getting a little older as my wife tells me when I complain about all the pains. However, I too am avoiding much of the latest wiz bang gadgets these days. I am using the cheapest cell phones that get the job done, if free without having to sign those long term contracts that is fine, Although I do like to have small ones. Many other people in my office seem to spend a hundred bucks of their money just to have all the latest features, never really put them to any practicle use. I have had two PDA's, takes more time to fiddle with them, to remember to sync data, by the time I have to get to my PC to sync, I can look up the original document anyway. if free, given to me I will look at it but still if takes too much time to learn or use instead of saving time it is tossed into the drawer and forgotten. I do agree somewhat with on-line bill payment services. Absolutly no way to have a company do the deduction either from a checking account or credit card, ever try to have them cancel those services? and one mistake and they have wiped your entire balance! Some services where the bank will send a check (or EDI) payment to the company owed money to is OK for those who like to use those services. I perfer to write checks to know what I have spent on what as I chose and when. As for the checks 21 issues, I work in IT in the finacial industry and personnaly I hate it, I perfer to have hard copies of my checks sent back to me. I also never thought I would here of anyone still left around that also worked on an AD5, That brings back memories!

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I so agree[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 05:14:35 AM PDT

I bought a PDA this year - to use for calorie counting, which works great. Because I have it, I am synching it with Outlook, but my old Daytimer was actually more convenient. All I want from my cell phone is for the call to go through, and some hands-free features. And I'm wondering how much longer my PC at home will even be useful. I'm tired of trying of buying, updating, running and configuring all the software needed to ATTEMPT to keep my system safe, wondering what each update is going to break, trying to figure out why the system takes so long to boot up or shut down, what some of the mysterious messages mean, etc, etc, etc. I interact with my bank online as little as possible to limit my exposure. The old Quicken was much better than the newer versions - it gets increasingly harder to use with each update. I'm almost ready to chuck it all. I actually spent less time on household tasks when I used pencil and paper!

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Fast Internet Requires Updates[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by auctionhugh on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 05:57:46 AM PDT

I must echo a comment above, that even a PC with only modem internet access really needs to be kept updated with the latest windows and antivirus patches. I find this to be generally quite transparent, as once it is set up for the most part it just happens in the background.

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You Propeller Heads Are Part of the Problem[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 07:13:50 AM PDT

Propeller Heads, Geek Freaks, whatever you want to call them, seem to thrive on every latest gadget and gizmo with every bell and whistle. Most of these people are in total denial how much hassle they incur daily--but come to think of it, they seem to thrive on hassle as long as it's high tech. Meanwhile you make fortunes for companies that are incompetent and dishonest. If you would use more discrimination and discretion in your purchases, products would eventually end up being reliable--like appliances.

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How about balance[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by tdrinane on Wed Oct 13, 2004 at 09:29:25 AM PDT

As they say, YMMV.  Personally, I like to reduce paper, so I like paying bills on line.  I've had a couple of things go wrong - usually due to my error (failing to track a new account number issued by a company I was paying, for example).  I like having calendars on line at work - makes scheduling time with people much easier.  So I don't have to keep printing my calendar (it can change several times in one day), a PDA has been a real help.   I just synch it once at the end of each day.  Other things are less to my taste.  I still get paper statements from my bank & creditors, even though I have web accounts with most of them.  It's just easier to do things like balance my checking account with a piece of paper in my hand.  OTOH, I stopped my retirement account statement from being mailed & now just look at it on line each quarter.  With the recent performance of most of these accounts, it's better not to have it in print anyway.

BTW, I certainly second the comments about dial in being no protection against viruses.  The first virus I personally encountered at home was a Word macro virus on my Mac (yes, dears, it is possible) brought home by my kids, from school, on a floppy.

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Read any good E-Book lately?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 14, 2004 at 08:09:51 AM PDT

After reading all these comments, I'm surprised to see so many who seem to discover service and product quality drop down with the latest gadget. This is not new.

When seeing unknown equipment or software in other companies, there is two questions I often ask.
What troubles came up during the last year?
Since when do you think this product has become reliable?

What I really want to know is if the product will go down on me and how often. Everything else, I can get from the company selling it or producing it.

As many others here, I use the cheapest cell phone because I don't need more. I don't need or use a PDA that doesn't show what I want the way I want it. When I read a book, it's printed on paper. Read any good E-Book lately?

It's easy to see the immediate advantage and not the deep trouble once in a while.

When you see a yellow light, which pedal do you go for? You can go for the gas and say you save a lot of time. If you want to save time and money, go for the break! A trafic light take on average under one minute to make a complete cycle. If you deduct the time your own direction take, you get around 40 seconds waiting. Here a ticket cost 150$ and takes 5 minutes to receive. So if you get paid 40$ an hour, it take you 3 hours 50 minutes including the 5 minutes loss. To gain back this time, you have to burn 337 red lights...

It's exactly the same with unreliable software or hardware.

You don't win time with something that gives you trouble when you need it even if it's "just once in a while".

JR

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There's a term for this...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 14, 2004 at 09:34:22 AM PDT

There's a term for this in the hard-goods world. It's called MTBF - "mean time between failures" - and it comes clearly labelled on most products you buy. Perhaps we should start requiring vendors of software and software-operated goods (like PDA's) to label their products the same way.

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Technology can be your friend, too[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 15, 2004 at 10:31:02 AM PDT

Hi, Last year I purchased an Audiovox PDA/Cellphone. It wasn't much of either. Big, bulky, hard to carry, speakerphone or headphone only, blah, blah, blah. BUT, it held practically limitless contact information and synched perfectly with my PC, so perfectly, in fact, that when my hard drive crashed on my PC, I was able to recover all my info from the PDA. So, maybe that story has a couple of points. Hardware will always fail, redundancy is good. I work on PC's and I build them like stone soup. I get a cheap motherboard or a cheap CPU and an expensive motherboard. Then, I have to buy new RAM because the new motherboard doesn't use the same memory as my old motherboard. I never replace the case cover because I'm always either testing somebody's busted hard drive or fiddlin' with some new accessory. USB, now that is a technology that changed it all. My new PDA is a Samsung i700. It's still big, but not as boxy as the Audiovox AND it's great as both a phone and a PDA. My friends all make fun of my phone which is big enough to be mistaken for an old pacemaker or portable dialysis machine, but it does exactly what I need. Sure, I'd like a battery that'd last for days, but that would probably require a cart of some sort AND I'd like to be able to program it easier. I like technology, but I don't like cutting edge stuff. I'm almost always in the middle of the pack, walking over the bodies of those brave (or stupid) souls that beta tested the hardware/software and paid the price for their eagerness. If I could say this in 10 words or less, I'd say: "Buy tried and true and read and dream about new"

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In California...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by foxyshadis1 on Wed Oct 20, 2004 at 05:51:58 AM PDT

Most people seem to average burning 2-4 red lights a day, which means you profit with less than 2-4 speeding tickets a year, at that rate. =p Although it'll get your license revoked, tickets are more often every year or two. Enforcement is lax, and in many places, lights are timed to have an extra 1-2 seconds of all-red for speeders. (Who know and abuse it, rendering it moot anyway.)

If I ever move to a sane part of the world I know I'm going to bring my bad habits with me. =D

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Technological aggravation[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 15, 2004 at 01:34:21 PM PDT

When the pain of technology exceeds the pain of the old-fashioned way of doing things, the technology will approach dying off. I, too, become aggravated with the endless loops of upgrading and newer gadgets. I use them less and dream more about retiring from the artificial world of gadgetry. Just like big cities, the world of software and PDAs and "smart" devices is choking itself off from the masses by becoming increasingly problematic. Guess I'll go back to pencils and notebooks.

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Funny thing. Pen and paper still works.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Sat Oct 16, 2004 at 10:53:19 AM PDT

I use the latest technology to produce a catalog, however; when I get the calls on the phone to make changes, the old paper pad doesn't need to boot, takes little time to itialize and unless the pen runs out of ink, I am doing data entry in moments. It's known as appropriate applied technology, gets a date and time, changes and then signed off and filed when done. Amazing as I tried the geekier methods and came to the same realization. Don't use technology for technology's sake when simpler methods will save you great amounts of time.

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Technology problems[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 19, 2004 at 11:28:22 AM PDT

I made the original comment to Ed. So a few replies.... Advanced technology has been and remains my livelihood. My first cell phone was purchased, for $1500. My first Apple computer came in 1978. My first PC came in 1983. The problem isn't new technology; it is a lack of standards and a lack of proper support. It is also an increasing rush to market which isn't supported by the maturity of the design (not the maturity of the technology.) And when the product doesn't work as advertised, or as the manual details, or as the designer intended - the buyer is out of luck. Far from the "cave" issue, I demand that the technology work, since I do use the advance features. And they must work as a system, the PDA to the laptop, the phone to the PDA and the laptop. And as I said, I can't have one device do it all, since my work doesn't allow me to carry all of the devices everywhere. Sometimes I have to check one at the door, sometimes another. As such, I stress the interconnectivity much more than the average user. As for dial-up having the same problems as broadband, sorry, but the risks of dial-up compared to broadband are like those of getting hit by a car while standing in a parking lot for thirty minutes a day compared to standing in the middle of the freeway for 24 hours straight. The threat comes faster, updates have to come more often, and vigilance must be higher. Until last week I only needed internet access at home to accommodate text e-mail and, formerly, internet banking. My employer provides 100MBS link at work, so I didn't need broadband at home. Things change, and I installed Verizon DSL over the weekend on the four computers I have. But by reducing the problem to all WiFi cards and router from the same supplier, and all else being standardized at minimum configuration, the job went well. And it is the productivity versus time spent in maintenance that this the important issue to me. Each additional function moved into the software/hardware world from traditional venues translates into time spent monitoring, upgrading, etc. And upgrading one app can and sometimes does affect the operation or settings on all. And there is the rub. The companies are not putting out simpler systems to operate and maintain. They are each more and more complicated. Compare that to a TV. In 1960, the TV had twelve controls to twiddle, including various hold functions, and you best believe they had to be twiddled-with just about every time you turned it on. Today's TVs are, thanks to phased-lock-loops, much simpler to operate, with on/off, volume, and channel. (VCRs are another story.) For the economy to expand there has to be increased demand for new devices and applications. But if the old applications have reached a plateau in simplicity, and are becoming more complex, then consumer exhaustion insures the market cannot expand. Plus there is the rising risk of alienation of the user from technology all together. As for the banking snafu, there were two, and they blew away the productivity advantage by ten to one, not to mention being expensive. Right now, I have time to write this because I'm on a netmeeting. The software we invested in to save the five minutes of transferring files via e-mail has proven balky and difficult to use, so this is being written in the wait. Essentially, I have done precisely what some of the comments have said, I have throttled back to those functions I can't get along without. I am computer dependant, having started at the age of 14 with an IBM 1130, and continuing to today. But because of this, to me the computer long ago lost its luster as anything but a tool. And if I spend too much time sharpening the tool, and too little using it - then I turn to another tool that does the job as well without all the fuss. Even if it is a stone axe.

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Formatting options[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by pfaut on Tue Oct 19, 2004 at 11:45:55 AM PDT

I think it's time to add some inteligence to the posting code.  It ought to be able to detect that there is no HTML encoding within someone's post and treat it as plain text.  The above is quite easy to read if you look at the page's source as the poster expected the site to format his paragraphs for him but instead got his dozen paragraphs merged into one when the site accepted it as HTML instead of plain text.

I know there's a selection box where you're supposed to tell the system if you are posting HTML or not but it seems many people forget to set it.

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