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More on the GripeLog "Classifieds"

By Ed Foster, Section The Gripelog
Posted on Wed Aug 06, 2003 at 11:37:50 AM PDT
I recently wrote about an idea I’d had for a “GripeLog Classified” ad section, and I received a tremendous response. Clearly, there is a great opportunity here, not just for financing the GripeLog but for providing readers a service they could really use. I don’t want to blow it, so I need a little more help from you in figuring out just how this will work.


Many readers were enthusiastic about the basic idea of affordable text ads that can be searched by category and region. Not only did IS managers say they’d like to have such ads available when they are looking for a particular service, I heard from a good number of potential advertisers as well. But it was the additional ideas and suggestions that really caught my attention.

Quite a few readers said they would want there to be some way for readers to offer ratings, reviews, or gripes about the advertisers. “I would read and be interested in being able to do regional searches for legal and accounting/tax advice services -- IF I had faith that the services had been vetted in some way,” wrote one reader. “People read you because you have earned your reputation for integrity. Some of that will initially rub off on the classified ads you display or host. But the real value added would be if you had some way of dropping ads when you receive even one valid complaint so that people would have even more confidence in the quality of what they were seeing. Can this be done? There may be legal issues. Does a newspaper have to run ads for all comers? Does a web publisher have to accept an ad from someone he only suspects is a shady character? Could you be sued for dropping someone's ad without ‘due process’? I have no idea but I wish you luck.”

Readers wondered if I should refuse to let Hall of Shame members advertise, assuming they wanted to. Or, for that matter, how could I prevent spammers or porn sites from advertising their “services”? Some questioned whether a site about gripes is the right vehicle for such ads, but others thought it might be turned to an advantage. “Just one question: what would you do if you received a slew of gripes about an advertiser?” wrote one reader. “I suspect I know -- you'd go ahead and publish an article about the gripes. But what would the advertiser do? On the other hand, you could turn that into an advantage: offer a ‘GripeLog Certified’ status (and corresponding logo to be included in advertising here and elsewhere) if an advertiser has fewer-than-average gripes.”

Some readers suggested it might be better to turn the idea around and have those who are looking for a particular service place a free “want ad” that service vendors would then pay to contact in some fashion. “How many times,” wrote one reader, “have you been working on a project and said to yourself ‘There should be an easier way, or some utility, to do this quicker, easier -- wish I could hire a programmer to knock out a cheap, quick-fix for this...’ I've thought or said this dozens of times. You could add an area for letters with ideas/requests for SMALL programs, applets and utilities, describing their need, when and how they'd pay for it.”

Those are all intriguing ideas. It would be wonderful if we could find a way to certify the quality of advertisers’ services. And the Want Ads idea is certainly worth considering, as it has some obvious potential for helping market the site.

On the other hand, I’m not very comfortable with the idea of censoring ads. And I also need to be careful not to build a costly infrastructure that will make it impossible for me to keep the ads affordable. Can I do so while setting up a guerrilla-marketing-proof system to post customer reviews of the advertisers? Can I be the traffic cop for responses to customer Want Ads without that turning into my full-time job?

Over time, I think all these things might be possible. The question though is how do we get there from here? I need your advice. Post your thoughts here or write me at Foster@gripe2ed.com. Thanks for your interest.

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Following footsteps...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by jimdoria on Thu Aug 07, 2003 at 10:49:41 AM PDT

While I certainly see the merit in providing a way to qualify the advertising on your site, I don't know that the solution will be easy. It seems the all-out solution would be to provide an eBay style system of ratings for all parties. But this is a massive undertaking and requires you to get involved in each transaction (assigning a unique number, identifying the transactors) if you want to guarantee the integrity of the system.

I can see one way around putting yourself in the middle of every transaction, but it's still pretty labor intensive and probably too distasteful for both buyers and sellers, unless they're really committed to the process. Require that customers provide a telephone number when contacting a vendor, then require that vendors provide a list of invoice numbers matched with telephone numbers from the business generated by the ad. (Doing it with e-mail addresses would make box-stuffing too easy, but with phone numbers it would be harder for unscrupulous vendors to skew the system.)

You would reserve the option to use the phone numbers to verify the veracity of claims posted. Knowing that any post about a vendor by either party, positive or negative, might be verified with a phone call could help keep things honest, or at least eliminate the most flagrant abuse of the system. You would still have to build SOME infrastructure, but nothing as odious (or redundant) as eBay.

As for the reader who wants to hire programmers on the cheap for one-off jobs - it's already being done. The itmoonlighters.com site is at least one place where you can do just this type of thing (they also have sister sites for creative work and office work.) Not sure if you want to compete with them or not, but I'd imagine if you do, you'd need something at least as elaborate as what they've got. Again, they're in the middle of each transaction to regulate integrity.

I REALLY REALLY hope your advertising policy doesn't end up being "come one come all." I would think that your site would quickly fill up with ad spam unless you were careful. Media outlets set up advertising guidelines all the time, specifying what types of ads they will and will not accept. I hope you will too.

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Classifieds[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Thu Aug 07, 2003 at 07:25:45 PM PDT

Allow any company to advertise. Have the same functionality as Amazon with user reviews and let the users review the advertisers so you don't have to even be involved one way or the other. Instead of the complex infrastructure of an Amazon for maintaining reviews, do it like weblogs. Setup for this would be to create a weblog for each company that advertises on your site. This way the user goes to this (advertiser's) weblog which is either on your site or linked to from your site, and posts their comments (reviews).

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imoonlighters.com = no competition[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Fri Aug 08, 2003 at 02:14:57 PM PDT

I wouldn't worry about competing with imoonlighters.com....their service may work for some, but they're by no means a competitive heavy. If you want to worry about competition, worry about eLance. Luckily, though, you'd have the advantage of low cost. eLance charges a fortune to be a service provider, and from what I've heard from former providers, they're not very nice to deal with for problems. You'd also have the advantage of being a trusted venue. As long as you set up and enforce reasonable advertising guidelines, that trust should be preserved.

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by Anonymous User on Sat Dec 13, 2003 at 03:51:04 AM PDT

Skip it altogether. Completely forget about ads, they do nothing but disorganize the entire webpage, make it difficult to print useful info, and they WILL become intrusive, no matter how you try to structure them. Instead, do as Patrick Kolla (Spybot) has done, put up a logo for contributions via Paypal (or whoever) if you feel the site is worth some of your time and money.

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