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The Ghost of Murk: States Enact Pro-Spam Laws

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Jun 05, 2003 at 10:20:44 AM PDT
As the hue and cry against spam grows ever louder, it's discouraging to see the same old ideas for curbing junk e-mail getting recycled. But it's even worse to see ideas that have proven beyond question to be wrong-headed getting enacted as law.


Way back in 1998, the U.S. Senate impetuously and unanimously approved an anti-spam bill authored by Sen. Frank Murkowski. A well-meaning attempt to get a handle on the problem, the law would have required all unsolicited commercial e-mail to be labeled as an advertisement in the subject line, to provide authentic contact information for the sender, and to give the recipient a way of opting out from receiving further messages. Anti-spam activists quickly pointed out, however, that the real effect of the bill would only be to endorse spam as a legitimate activity, and the Murkowski bill died without even coming up for a vote in the House.

Of course, the spammers themselves loved the Murkowski bill, and ever since they've treated it as if it really is the law. Even today, many bulk e-mailer's include what is called the "Murk" notice -- the part of the spam messages that says it's being sent in accordance with "S-dot-sixteen-eighteen" (I don't want to use the numerals themselves, because the Murkowski bill number is an excellent search term for spam filters) and implying that it's illegal to complain about it as spam. The fact that the Murk notices are usually attached to messages that violate some or all of the Murkowski provisions only proves the original point of anti-spam activists: Any law that forces spam recipients to opt out is going the leave door wide open for spammers, because there is no way the opt-out provisions can actually be enforced.

Congress seems to have learned its lesson on this issue, having rejected a number of similar bills since. As we know from the examples of UCITA and the "Super-DMCA" laws, however, special interests trying to get stupid laws passed in this country have an alternative venue. Yes, I'm afraid that over the past few months Murkowski-like laws have been introduced in many states and have actually been enacted in several: Arkansas (HB 1008), Arizona (SB 1280), Indiana (HB 1083), and Maine (LD 255). State legislatures in two more states -- Illinois (SB 611) and Texas (HB 1282) -- have passed similar bills that await their Governor's signature.

These laws all take the Murk approach of basically saying it's OK for spammers to send you unsolicited commercial e-mail, and that you have to try to opt out in order to get them to stop. And, of course, they won't stop, since none of these states are funding a multi-billion dollar anti-spam police force to actually enforce their new laws. Only the foolish will even try to opt out, since that's at best a futile exercise and often results in more spam. (Incredibly, the Illinois bill even lets the spammer make you call a toll-free phone number to opt out. So some sleazy scam artist with Caller ID gets to associate my e-mail address with my phone number? Good thinking, guys.) Sure, the laws say you can sue the spammers for not letting you opt out. Good luck. Very few spammers have been brought to justice under existing laws in states like California and Washington, and those laws are stronger and far better-crafted than these Murk clones.

The question that arises is where did these laws come from all of a sudden? While there is some variation, the laws share a lot of common language, so it's clear they were all cut from the same mold. But who is behind it?

Well, I can't say for sure, but the laws themselves provide a hint. A lot of the language they share seems to be devoted to providing immunity for "electronic mail service providers" and/or "interactive computer services" for whatever sins they may commit in terms of either sending spam or blocking it. So ISPs apparently get to do whatever they want, including harboring spammers (which even some big ISPs have been known to do) or blocking legitimate from competitors or others they don't like.

So is it possible the big ISPs are the ones we have to thanks for these pro-spam laws? Sources say that Microsoft and AOL lobbyists have indeed been working in the state legislatures in support of these bills. And that's really discouraging, particularly given all the things those companies have been saying recently about their anti-spam initiatives. If these Murk-y state laws are their idea of how to fight the spam plague, they are only going to make a bad problem all the more intractable.

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Legislation cannot resolve the problem.[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by byelen on Thu Jun 05, 2003 at 10:35:43 AM PDT

Steering clear of the issue of "opt-in/opt-out", legislation can never resolve the issue. Legislate all you want with respect to headers, legitimate return address, etc., the fact remains that it is too easy for a spanner to be off-shore and totally removed from any U.S. jurisdiction. The internet by it's very nature, makes international operations too easy (no "national firewalls" ie: censorship, PLEASE!). So, maybe the states and/or congress actually manages to pass a good piece of anti-spam legislation. What do you do about the scum that operate out of some jerkwater country which doesn't care about spam? (after all, he's got to spend his slimey profits somewhere!)

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"Jerkwater country" eh?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jun 09, 2003 at 02:33:04 PM PDT

Well I'm from outside the US and I receive a lot of spam FROM the US. I suppose that makes the US a jerkwater country? No - not really, I know. But it does show how pointless antispam laws for some state/province in some country are, regardless of how good or bad they are (and yes, these are bad laws).

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Follow the Money[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Tue Jun 10, 2003 at 11:00:52 AM PDT

The sure way to deal with Spam is to "follow the money." Off shore servers may be beyond reach, but the collection agents, and most likely the spammers themselves are typically residents of this country. Establish laws to make it illegal to Spam. Make it illegal to allow mass mailings of deceptive or fraudulant information. Make using an off shore server to attempt to hide one's identity as direct evidence of a crime. Back up the laws with solid enforcement efforts, including heavy fines, and jail time. For those who don't get the message, allow for RICO escalation of the penalties. Taking the money, automobiles, and homes of these crooks who steal billions from businesses and individuals just might deter the next person from starting a life of crime.

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Follow the money[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by byelen on Wed Jun 11, 2003 at 06:52:46 AM PDT

Interesting you should mention this. In today's newspaper was a story that in an attempt to enforce the federal anti-internet gambling statutes, Congress has a bill pending that would prohibit banks, credit card companies, etc., from sending any wire-transfers or payments to off-shore internet gambling operators.

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Blocking Spam..States Enact Pro-Spam Laws[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Russ on Thu Jun 05, 2003 at 05:26:23 PM PDT

I don't "get" how requiring mail to have a standard...."advertisement" label in the subject line is all that bad. Maybe my email client is blinding me to the obvious? I use Outlook (Not Outlook Express) and it's easy to set up rules that take messages with standardized subject text and send them directly to the TRASH. Yep, I use POP3 mail service and have a broadband connection, so I don't have to worry about long download times. I can see how this worldn't be very helpful if you used a browser based web mail account As I see it, (and I admit, my view is "colored" by the tools I'm using) having any standard text string in all SPAM messages would actually help!

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Advertisement label[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Ed Foster on Thu Jun 05, 2003 at 10:41:24 PM PDT

Yes, it would be nice if the spammers would all put ADV labels in the subject line. But most of them will ignore that requirement, just like they'll ignore the requirements to not use forged headers and to honor remove requests, because there's almost zero chance of these laws being enforced against them. So the only real effect the laws will have is giving the spammers another chance to claim they have the right to send you unsolicited commercial email until you opt out.

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"Getting" the ad labels.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Jun 06, 2003 at 07:23:56 AM PDT

Answer to why legislated ad labels will not work:

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A single user of Outlook at home is not aware of the amount sleazebags making money while wasting our shared Internet bandwidth. Their 2-million-in-one-shot message bombings, replete with HTML attachments, travel through the same national broadband lines as your traffic. Your e-mail, your games, your on-line videos, your chat, and your browsing all suffer. Think about them the next time you encounter net lag! :-(

When you state "just hit the [Delete] key", you insult all network admins who struggle against this flood daily. It shows that you do not care about the amount of midirected filth that goes to all Internet users, not just men interested in porn, sex, and lower mortgages. It shows you have not comprehended the sheer volume of the issue or have little true exposure to it. The moment you click on Opt-Out, they take you off that list, but move your address to the top of their other lists. Even with the laws they do follow, they only have to take you off that particular list, but not all of them. And now they know your address is valid, so it is more valuable for the inter-spammer list sales.

Posted by: Hans



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Filtering Munged Text[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by valkyriebiker on Wed Jun 11, 2003 at 08:04:42 AM PDT

Hans is right on.  Even Bayesian filters, a technique I was using, has a hard time standing up to munged non-words.

Now I'm using a challenge/response system offered by SpamArrest -- works great!  SpamArrest catches about 200 spams per day for me.  Very rarely do spammers 'self authorize', maybe 2-3 a month, tops.

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deleting the spam[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Howling on Fri Jun 06, 2003 at 09:24:56 AM PDT

An automatic way for end users to delete spam is only a small patch on the system.  Currently AOL is deleting over 1 BILLION pieces of spam a day.  

All of this spam traffic has to past through the network costing alot of bandwidth.  We all pay for this bandwidth as part of the fees to our ISPs.

Even broadband and the outlook ruleswizard will stop enduser pain.  Recently I was out for a day when a spammer sent emails to info@, webmaster@, admin@, etc to my business domain.  Each included a 3MB attachment.  It did not take many for the box to fill up and important real emails to start bouncing.

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labels not bad[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Mon Jun 09, 2003 at 02:35:57 PM PDT

Well firstly, isn't saying "I've not got a problem here, so there isn't a problem at all" rather selfish? Secondly, even with a broadband line (woo I've got one too aren't we elite!) you can still be mailbombed by spammers to the point your account becomes unusable. If you get 500 copies of the same spam in a 100k embedded HTML format to download lets see you and outlook express laugh at that one.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#33)
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