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Big Blue Wants You

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 08:55:43 AM PDT
Would it boost your self-esteem to know that IBM considers you a valued corporate asset? Well, it's possible, even if you don't work for Big Blue. If your company does business with IBM or its subsidiaries, you -- or at least your name, phone number, work location, job title, and other information about you - might well be on IBM's books as an assignable asset of the company.


This state of affairs first came to light from a negotiation a reader was having with IBM over a service contract. An IT manager with considerable procurement experience, the reader thought the deal was just about done when IBM's representatives trotted out a last-minute "Data Privacy" addendum they wanted to add to the contract. It read:

"You agree to allow IBM to store and use Your contact information, including names, phone numbers, and e-mail addresses, anywhere they do business. Such information will be processed and used in connection with our business relationship, and may be provided to contractors, Business Partners, and assignees of IBM for uses consistent with their collective business activities, including communicating with You (for example, for processing orders, for promotions, and for market research)."

The reader was very displeased with IBM's attempt to ram this language through at a point in the negotiations where they thought he couldn't refuse. "This was not in the original contract as it was provided to us," says the reader. "Then, IBM came back and said that they had a few 'administrative' items that needed to be added, but it wasn't in there either. It wasn't until late in the game that IBM decided to pop this on us ... late in a game that they thought they were winning. Unfortunately for them, they were incorrect in that assumption."

Under privacy laws in his company's line of work, the reader doubted he could legally expose the staff to this open-ended use of their personal information by IBM. After consulting with company counsel, he told IBM the "Data Privacy" was a deal-breaker. Even then, the Big Blue team seemed bent on sticking to their guns. "IBM responded that it was their attempt to adhere to the various privacy laws which bind their business, and they told me they never modify or delete this section, even though it wasn't there to begin with," the reader says. Only after the reader made it clear he would walk away from the deal did IBM agree to remove the language in its entirety.

My first question when the reader told me about this incident was whether it might just be an isolated incident with one over-reaching IBM negotiating team. A little bit of Googling, though, quickly revealed that the Data Privacy language is to be found throughout IBM "standard form" services agreements, statements of work, and software license agreements. In other words, it's probably in any recent agreement with IBM where you didn't specifically negotiate to have it removed. For example, it would appear to apply to Florida state employees who use IBM software, including Lotus or Informix.

What is IBM's rationale for this Data Privacy language? "IBM in the course of conducting its everyday business will inevitably collect and process at least some data about its customers in a business-to-business context," says Michael Loughran, a spokesman for the IBM Software Group. "In particular, it will receive 'contact' data about employees of its customers, such as an individual's name, job title, work location, business phone number, e-mail address. Since personal data is defined broadly enough to include such contact data it's hard to see how IBM could ever perform a transaction without at least collecting some personal data. If a customer objects to any part of this clause, we are happy to discuss it with them so they can better understand what this clause is designed to accomplish. We believe however that it is appropriate for IBM to include in its standard terms and conditions for these kinds of arrangements a clause that covers a more expansive relationship between IBM and its customers. This allows IBM and its suppliers and business partners to provide information about the value that IBM and these companies can deliver to the customer. This is quite standard across the industry."

I can agree that it's standard across the industry for non-negotiable sneakwrap agreements and privacy policies to contain all sorts of nasty terms. IBM's is no worse than some others we've seen. But what is unusual about this case is the fact that IBM is trying to insert this language in the contracts it negotiates with IT professionals, even at the risk of losing business. Why push our reader so hard just to try to get this No Data Privacy language in their deal?

The reader has his own theory on that. "The cynical part of me would guess they're contemplating some sort of overall customer list they could sell to people," he says. The critical thing is that the language allows IBM to pass the information it collects on to "assignees" as well as regular partners. "I read that as taking it out of the realm of companies they're doing business with and permitting them to treat the information as a saleable asset."

And the cynical part of me says that it's nice IBM wants an expansive relationship with its customers, but it would even nicer if it weren't such a one-way thing. If Big Blue thinks of its customers as an asset, it should remember its customers need to feel the same way about their relationship with IBM.

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Another interpretation of IBM's policy...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by mac on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 09:41:32 AM PDT

Another interpretation for IBM's attempt to get everyone to let them use contact info broadly is the considerable nervousness on the part of large companies about the risks of violating the latest anti-spam laws, which require ill-defined provable relationships and approvals for email contact. There are three things you can do when you are, for example, an IBM with hundreds of (entirely legitimate but not completely controllable or consistent) ways in which email addresses come into your hands.
  • Just gallop along and hope for the best, and get your lawyers ready for the inevitable opportunity to explain to a judge that most people don't consider email from a major legitimate company promoting its legitimate products as {spam."
  • Just shut down your outbound email efforts--no emails to anybody ever anywhere from anyone, excepting only Replys to inbound email--maybe. (Don't kid yourself: There are antispam enthusiasts who would be delighted with this solution.)
  • Set up a standard, companywide agreement giving IBM broad rights to do the kinds of emailings it's been doing all along, and make every single person who does business with IBM sign it, to as to save themselves from the liability.
I assure you it's Number 3. Cynicism is not limited to customers: Cynicism about how broad, politically driven laws get interpreted in the actual justice system (an uninteresting detail to immune politicians) has been earned the hard way. Expect that every business you deal with from now on will try to shrink-wrap-license their email relationship with you in similar ways, for fear of lawsuits.

Let's face it, folks: If the only "spam" we ever got was emails from legitimate businesses we bought things from, like IBM and Sears and Macys and Circuit City and etc.--we wouldn't be complaining so loud about spam. For one thing, our spam load would go down by 98% because regular commercial emails like these constitute a very small part of the overall email load we get. But our laws, passed as always out of reaction and not any realistic expectation of dealing with the problem, imposes liabilities and legalities on the most legitimate businesses without substantially impeding the nefarious work of spammers and con artists. We're paying for it, and the worst is yet to come.
--Mac McCarthy

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IBM may just outsource all service ...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 10:25:43 AM PDT

Such a privacy policy makes sense only if service itself is being outsourced. In other words, if you call "IBM" you won't know if you're really calling IBM or a subcontractor. And they'll be sharing a lot to the subs. Who knows if you'll even talk to an IBM employee?

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The problem is...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by dliesse on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 10:24:23 AM PDT

The problem with agreements like this is the unfettered right to share my information with their partners. I don't mind getting mailings from the company I do business with (as long as I haven't told them to stop). What I object to is their passing this information along to another firm with which I have no intention of ever doing business. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: if you want to do your marketing and advertising by legitimate means (print and broadcast advertising, product reviews), I'll become aware of your product -- that's the job of Marketing. If I want more information, I'll get in touch with you and resign myself to doing business with your Sales staff. But don't assume that because I do business with one of your unidentified "partners" I'll be interested in hearing from you.

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Legitimate Marketing[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Dec 18, 2003 at 12:18:50 PM PDT

It's interesting that you don't consider email to be a legitimate means of marketing , while the other resource-intensive methods are. So 20th century.

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IHBT, but...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Fri Dec 19, 2003 at 12:54:29 PM PDT

For better or worse, spammers' abuses have convinced most people that all unsolicited commercial email is a plague to be avoided at all costs. "Resource-intensive" methods of marketing necessarily limit the carnage to (somewhat) targeted lists to keep costs down.

Whereas low-cost marketing methods predictably lead to carpet-bombing everyone + his dog, ticking off everyone + his dog. Why do most salesmen have such a problem with the concept "Get outta my face! I'll ask for what I want when I want how I want!"

"Advertising is the rattling of a stick inside a swill bucket."--George Orwell

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IBM Wants You[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by WJGatlin on Mon Dec 22, 2003 at 07:45:54 PM PDT

One can always add a similar clause to the negotiated contract. The more draconian the better... For example: IBM will supply the name, employee ID, office phone numbers, office addresses, pager numbers, cell phone numbers, etc... of ALL employees, contractors, associates, affiliates, etc... This information is to be stored, used, marketed, sold and/or dissemenated in any manner allowed by law at the sole discretion of the customer/client. If enough corporate customers took a stand such as this with all of our vendors/providers they might get the message that we're "mad as hell and won't take it anymore!".

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