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Into the DMCA Groove

By Ed Foster, Section Columns
Posted on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 08:22:06 AM PDT
Does Madonna have the right to tell you how to dispose of your jeans? From the way Time Warner, the Gap stores, and eBay are acting, you'd think she does.


A reader recently bought some jeans in a Gap store and with his purchase received a CD called ""Into the Hollywood Groove" with music by Warner recording artists Madonna and Missy Elliott. Having no interest in the CD, the reader proceeded to auction it off on eBay. But shortly after the auction had ended and he'd sent it off to the winning bidder, he received a disturbing e-mail from eBay.

A typical eBay "VeRO"notice, the email informed the reader that "a Verified Rights Owner (VeRO) Program participant notified us, under penalty of perjury, that your listing or the item itself infringes their copyright, trademark, or other rights ... We have also notified the bidders that the listing(s) was removed, and that they are not obligated to complete the transaction. If you relist this or any other similar items on eBay, your account likely will be suspended." The message identified Time Warner as the VeRO participant making the infringement claim and provided a link to eBay's VeRO participant page for more details.

The VeRO program is eBay's way of conforming to the takedown provisions of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), which requires an Internet host to quickly remove any material that a copyright holder claims to be infringing. Knowing he'd received the CD as part of a legitimate (and widely publicized) Gap promotion, the reader was naturally upset that his credibility as an eBay auctioneer could be damaged by having auctioned it.

He was even more perturbed when he followed the link to Warner Record's VeRO page. At the very top -- in 18-pt. red letters, no less -- it said: "MADONNA BREAKING NEWS!! PLEASE READ THIS MADONNA SELLERS!! We have been asked to remove ALL promotional CDs for the GAP campaign."

Assuming Time Warner wasn't accusing Gap itself of bootlegging the CDs, the only alternative explanation for removing all Gap CDs was near the bottom of the same page: "Some of our clients have asked us to remove PROMO ONLY items. Not all artists mind if PROMO ONLY items are sold, as you know. Some do mind. Keep in mind that PROMO ONLY means just that: for PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY, NOT TO BE SOLD. We have to respect the requests of the artists, if they want us to remove those items. Thanks for your understanding and cooperation."

Understanding and cooperation was not what this inspired in our reader. "How was I infringing on their copyrights?" he wondered. "There are at least over 10,000 used CD stores I could have sold this to. And Gap already paid the royalties to Time Warner so I do not see how this is a violation."

For the record, a Gap spokesperson described the CD as an "an in-store giveaway that you received as a free gift when you purchased a pair of cords or jeans" Gap contracted with Time Warner for the rights to distribute the CD for only a limited time, the Gap spokesperson said, and all rights have now reverted back to Time Warner. A spokesperson for eBay said the company believes "promotional CDs" represent a gray area of copyright law that has not been litigated, so under the DMCA eBay is required to honor Time Warner's request to take down the auctions of the Gap CD. Time Warner had not responded to inquires before deadline.

I need to make something clear here - it doesn't matter whether the label said "Promo Only" or "Not for Resale" or whatever. (The reader recalls that it was marked as a Gap promo, but he saw nothing about not re-selling it on the CD or in the store). Do you believe for a second that the Recording Industry Association of America would allow all those promotional CDs to be sold in stores if they thought a few lawsuits would stop it? The reason it hasn't been litigated is not because it's a gray area, as eBay says, but because the record companies know they would lose.

On this issue, copyright law is crystal clear, because there's this thing called the First Sale doctrine. The Copyright act (Section 109) states, "the owner of a particular copy or phonorecord lawfully made under this title ... is entitled, without the authority of the copyright owner, to sell or otherwise dispose of the possession of that copy or phonorecord." Sticking a "Promo Only" label on a CD holds no more legal water than a "Not for Resale" sticker on a book.

I should probably also point out that the Madonna/Missy CD isn't a promotional CD like those the record companies send out to radio stations. It wasn't promoting music; it was promoting jeans. And no doubt for some customers the CD was what they were really buying and the jeans were the "free gift." If Time Warner can tell our reader that he can't auction the CD because Madonna might not like it, why can't the Gap say he can't sell the jeans to a second-hand clothing store because the seamstress in an Asian sweatshop could object?

Of course, we mustn't stick with the fiction that this is really about "respecting the requests" of the recording artists. It's not Madonna or Missy Elliott who issued the DMCA takedown order for these auctions. Time Warner's legal eagles - "under penalty of perjury" -- made that decision. And it's the Gap that is letting its paying customers be treated like criminals when they have broken no laws. And it's eBay, which should be the greatest champion of the First Sale doctrine and secondary markets in general, that won't lift a finger to defend them against the DMCA's continuing assaults.

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A typo... ;-)[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 09:27:08 AM PDT

Ed,

Good pertinent article as always, but I think there was a small typo...

"The VeRO program is eBay's way of conforming to the *SHakedown* (takedown) provisions of the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act)"

Freudian reversed slip ;-)



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Just say no[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by kamnet on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 09:41:44 AM PDT

If this is how Time Warner wants to treat its customer base, then just reject the CDs I say.

Of course, this is Yet Another Reason (TM) that I no longer do business with or through eBay auctions.

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It's just one more gorilla on the loose[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 10:04:52 AM PDT

We seem to have a dearth of 800 lb gorilla's running loose lately. Shrinkwrap license "gotcha" fine print, warranties that aren't, UCITA and now, DMCA. And let's not mention gutless entities that would (in a parody of an old cigarette commercial) "rather switch than fight." Until elected officials stop listening to these special interest groups, (or the sound of their money going into campaign coffers) nothing is going to change.

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All too true[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 09:04:20 PM PDT

Unfortunately, as long as the public votes based on politician's ads (which is what all that money is needed for) instead of making the effort to learn and think about issues, this is what we will get.

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actually it is a plethora of 800lb gorillas -- NM[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by n0vyy on Tue Nov 25, 2003 at 01:35:06 PM PDT



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Wow. Where will it end?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by spocko on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 10:24:28 AM PDT

Good article Ed. Interesting all the way through.

It feels like in order to live in the world today you have to be an IP lawyer so you don't accidentally hurt some "artist" (AKA record company execs.)

I know that this entire process has had a chilling effect on my consumption of all kind of recordings.

I've noticed that the movie industry is being proactive with the "Don't pirate our movies." messages. They are trying to sell the "All the "little people" will be hurt!" ad campaign.

Interestingly, the recent move by China to go with Linux and with the new ECD players (to replace DVDs and avoid paying licensing fees), might have a greater impact especially considering that the Far East it one of the primary sources of all pirated goods.

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Into the DMCA Groove[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 11:01:57 AM PDT

Why do people still use e-bay? I have gotten sick and tired of hearing e-bay horror stories, if they are so bad why do people still use them?

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why use eBay?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 06:15:02 PM PDT

because i've never had a horror story experience with eBay. i've sold hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to make more room in my house [to the delight of my wife!], bought and resold stuff to the delight of my PayPal balance, and have never had a negative vote from any customer of mine. It's a free-market tool, and nothing more. If you don't like the free market, or as free as Time Warner and the RIAA will let it be, which isn't very...., just say no and don't participate. the rest of us will stay and have fun, thanks. +af ps. i've got two cars for sale at www.plusaf.com.... :)

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legal knight in shining armor?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by jcwallace1 on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 11:05:52 AM PDT

Seems like what is needed is someone with sufficiently deep pockets to back up your reader who had their legal rights trampled on. So your reader could sue the Gap and Time Warner over their actions denying him his rights to sell the CD under existing copyright law. Then the courts can weigh in and settle some of this DMCA problem "that has not been litigated", and hopefully restore some our rights.

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A nice example[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Thu Nov 20, 2003 at 09:11:20 PM PDT

This is a good example of how ridiculous this has gotten. The music and software industries claim this costs them sales. But in a giveaway there are no sales!! And doesn't it benefit Time-Warner to get the disk into the hands of a fan, instead of a landfill? But the idea that any money could change hands without them getting a piece clearly drives them nuts. I'm hoping that as the next generation becomes the pop musicians of the time (it is basically an occupation for 20 somethings) they will just skip the record companies completely - or form thier own. After all the most important thing record companies did - get radio airplay - doesn't happen since that is so controlled by other corporations by strict formats. And the technical production is much easier with CDs and computer editing.

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End of the music companies?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Tue Dec 16, 2003 at 11:43:22 AM PDT

Well, since the record companies began screaming about losses they basically forced us into a new area. Online downloading. Great for the artist right? But the question arises... why on earth would any established artist need a contract with any company anymore? Once their contract expires, if they are smart, they can release all they want on line and no record company would be involved. No commissions paid, no money at all for the record companies. Of course, it remains to be seen how many are that smart. :) The only artists who would need a contract would be the new up and coming ones who need the promotional capabilites of the big companies. After that... nada for the companies. They have idiotically forced themselves to deal with the unknowns. Nickels and dimes instead of big dollars. I wonder what calibre the gun was they used to shoot themselves in the foot?

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Contracts worse than indentured servitude[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Thu Jan 08, 2004 at 02:44:39 PM PDT

Basically, according to what I've read most contracts in the music business are terribly one sided and require the production of seven albums. How many artists do you know that have produced seven albums that you would be willing to listen to?

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Gap and promo CD's[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by vesta1953 on Sat Nov 22, 2003 at 08:15:10 PM PDT

Does this mean that any cd you get as a promo item can't be sold because some idiot at the recording company has decided that a promotional item can't be resold? What about the baseball caps that people got as promo items from Pepsi? Or any other promo item that had a limited production and could sorta kinda maybe be considered a collectible? Where is this kind of crap going to end? And eBay, I hate to tell you this, but if I get something like that and you won't let me sell it there, that costs you whatever fee you charge because I'll go advertise it in the newspaper and sell it that way. It may take me longer, but it will still be sold, and you will have lost out on that nice little fee you charge sellers. eBay, you like to profit from the free enterprise system, but heaven forbid you should let others do the same when the big dogs bark.

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Baseball cards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Ed Foster on Sun Nov 23, 2003 at 08:04:06 PM PDT

Yes, when you think about the logic of Time Warner's claim, it would preclude all kinds of collectibles. What if the bubblegum companies had always said baseball cards were for "Promo Only" and the original purchaser couldn't sell them?

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Voting with my cash[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 25, 2003 at 11:14:39 AM PDT

This is just another reason to not purchase new recorded materials. I decided when the RIAA began suing grandfathers that my days of purchasing CD's and DVD's were over. This just strengthens my resolve. I'll keep my portion of the millions of dollars that the Record Industry generates yearly and spend it on other things. How long will it be before we are forced to pay, each time we want to listen to a particular song, in addition to the initial cost of the CD?

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Perjury? I don't think so[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 25, 2003 at 11:18:13 AM PDT

From Merriam-Webster's Online Dictionary, 10th Edition: One entry found for perjury. Main Entry: per穓u穜y Pronunciation: 'p&r-j&-rE, 'p&rj-rE Function: noun Date: 14th century : the voluntary violation of an oath or vow either by swearing to what is untrue or by omission to do what has been promised under oath : false swearing If I'm not mistaken, nobody involved had sworn an oath. Perjury charges usually come from swearing to tell the truth in court, and then telling lies. How does this fit?

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Perjury[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 25, 2003 at 02:29:07 PM PDT

Lots of legal docs specify that someone can bring claims under penalty of perjury. That is, if the claims are shown to be false, the claimant is guilty of perjury.

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Perjury[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by beamdriver on Wed Nov 26, 2003 at 03:08:26 PM PDT

An affidavit is a sworn statement. By affixing your name to an affidavit, you are swearing that, to the best of your knowledge, the statements listed are true. Knowingly putting a false statement on an affidavit is the same as doing it under oath in a courtroom. Whether it is perjury or not is based on other issues.

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Without reading any other responses...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#17)
by rickb928 on Tue Dec 16, 2003 at 12:15:53 PM PDT

I have this take.

First, there was a sale. Time-Warner sold these CDs to Gap. then Gap sold you an item, and the CD was a promo to go with the item. So, Time-Warner did make a sale, unless they gave the CDs to Gap... in which case:

Second, the copyright owner does have some rights to say how the work might be distributed. I believe, sadly, that Time-Warner and Gap have the right to say you can't sell the promo item, for these reasons. One, the promotion is intended to motivate you to buy a product, in part, to recieve the promotional item also. If these CDs became readily available to non-buyers, Gap might fear they lose sales themselves. Might not be true, but it's reasonable, and any court would agree. Two, perhaps this was a special CD with content not normally available, or not available in that collection, and Time-Warner might reasonably expect that sales of the CD could in fact result in lost sales of other CDs. The best rationale for this; I might like the CD because it offers me the few tracks I want without buying several other CDs. True? for me, absolutely.

Last, but not least, though, consider this. Could you give this CD away on eBay, auctioning only for the shipping and handling costs? Not actually charging for the CD that is? Or would this be a sham transaction, disguising the sale as a 'shipping only' transaction? Hmm...

I'm not an apologist for the recording industry, or DCMA, or any other conspiracy theory you have in mind. But the reality is that owners should have some reasonable expectation that a promotional item be restricted to its promotional use, that is to promote something.

Now, a year from today, long after this promo is over, do Time-Warner and Gap have as strong an argument for damages? I think not.... You see, promotions have very short lives usually. Like many artists. Sales are crucial when the iron is hot, so to speak. Decades from now, who will care about Madonna CDs?

-Rick

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You have no rights then[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#21)
by Seamless on Mon Jan 12, 2004 at 10:06:16 AM PDT

Rick, the end result of your post is that the person who is given the CD recording is given no rights, and the recording company could demand the recording back at any time. Further, if you are correct that promotional items cannot be sold, then logically a promotional item cannot be given to any other person since the original grant from the recording company was personal and not transferable. That means that the jeans buyer can't loan the CD to anybody, there is no right to give it as a gift, and it cannot be sold by her estate. If those restrictions aren't contained in a printed license for the end user to read and accept before purchase, there's no legal grounds to restict any form of distribution. It's obvious that Gap has no protectable interest in how the promotional item is further distributed or in any effect upon their sales, as Gap is not the copyright owner. I doubt that any court would agree that Gap can attempt to enforce rights that they do not have. As far as Gap is concerned, they only were hoping to achieve 1 sale by offering the copy of the promotional CD, and that was accomplished. After all, if Gap could somehow restrict the sale or distribution of a promotional item--which they do not own, and only had a license to distribute--then certainly, under your logic, Gap could restrict the distribution or resale of the underlying product (jeans), which only a judge nominated by GW Bush would allow.

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resale[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#96)
by Anonymous User on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 12:46:10 PM PDT

between a media outlet and a record label or artist there is generally an agreement that prevents the resale or distribution of promotional items (of course there is a limit to the time that the promo item must be held). I think you made the exact point as to why the "artist" would want to remove the CD promotion from the Gap. There is no agreement with the shoppers not to distribute, or sell the CD. IMO Ebay should have stood up for its sellers

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Into the DMCA Groove[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by palmerdb on Wed Dec 17, 2003 at 08:35:35 AM PDT

Another example of the "golden rule" as applied to the American legal system - He who has the gold, rules! Unfortunately, any law passed by Congress is legal and binding until it has been declared invalid by the Federal courts. The courts do not make any decisions about a law until a trial comes before the courts. Any one want to "take on" the RIAA and their platoon(s) of lawyers through the court system (up to and including the Supreme Court) - and bear the costs that such a process would incur???

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Interesting story...[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous User on Mon May 24, 2004 at 10:36:25 AM PDT

I found your site when I was trying to find the penalty for selling promotional CDs; I had just received some in the mail I had paid for, not knowing they were promotional.

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Re: Interesting story[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Thu Sep 15, 2005 at 10:07:38 PM PDT

Same here. I've got liner notes stamped "PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY." I'm trying to decide whether I should care or not.

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This battle has already been lost[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#24)
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This battle has already been fought and lost when they tried to make it illegal to rent movies. They wanted a royalty on each rental and the court told them essentially that if they didn't want to sell a video, that was their perogative, but once sold it was the owners property to do with as they pleased. -Ray

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by maderikapapa on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:21:04 AM PDT

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