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Use of Stots TemplateMaster Woodworking Tool Limited to One Shop

By Ed Foster, Section UnFairUse
Posted on Wed Oct 22, 2003 at 10:19:21 PM PDT
Usage Restrictions -- Nasty EULA Terms – Ban on Resale
A small woodworking tool manufacturer, Stots Corporation, includes a license agreement on its TemplateMaster jig tool. The tool is licensed, not sold, and customers cannot sell it or lend it to others. Nor can they sell or lend the jigs they make with it.
Sources: Company Website, Reader Reports


We’re all familiar with license agreements on software tools that limit what you can with the product. But what about a license agreement on a real tool limiting what you can with the product and the things you make with it?

“Shrinkwrap licenses are showing up everywhere,” a reader recently wrote. “I just bought a jig for making dovetailing jigs -- this is woodworker talk if it's unfamiliar to you. The master jig contained a license that says I've licensed the master jig, not bought it. The license says I can't lend or sell the master, and furthermore I can't lend or sell the jigs I make with the master.”

The reader was referring to Stots Corporation of Harrods Creek, KY, and the user agreement for its TemplateMaster product. Sure enough, the Stots license says TemplateMaster may be used “in only one shop by the original purchaser only” and that “you may not allow individuals that did not purchase the original Product (to) use the Product or any templates produced using the Product…”

A FAQ document on the Stots website explains that the license is necessary because “the purpose of the TemplateMaster is to clone itself. Therefore we are verifying your honesty that only you will use the tool and you will not be passing it around to others to use for free. It is exactly the same as the ‘shrink wrap’ agreement that comes with almost all computer software. Please help us fight ‘tool piracy’.”

Challenged as I am to even hammer a nail, I certainly can’t judge the uniqueness of the TemplateMaster product compared to other woodworking tools. The reader doubts it’s particularly novel, in that the template or jig one creates with it will be virtually identical to “Keller” jigs that have been around for many years. “The key difference is that the instructions that came with the Keller jig said, in not so few words ‘here, use this jig to make a dovetail joint’,” the reader said. “The Stots jig, which is geometrically equivalent, comes with instructions that say ‘use a duplicating router bit to copy this jig to make a jig that looks almost exactly the same as me -- and exactly the same as the Keller jig -- then use that jig to make a dovetail joint.”

But even assuming the Stots tool is a wonderful innovation, does that give its inventor the right to restrict how you use the tool? The patent law doctrine of exhaustion would seen to overrule such restrictions, but that doctrine took a hit in one recent case. And then what about the idea of restricting how customers use the tools they make with the TemplateMaster? Don’t let the software companies hear about that one, or next thing you know there will be usage restrictions on who we can share our data with.

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Interesting twist[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Kuda on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 10:00:59 AM PDT

"you may not allow individuals that did not purchase the original Product (to) use the Product or any templates produced using the Product..."
So in other words, say we have a shop that is large enough to have a front office. Joe Worker out in the shop says he needs one, so Frank Purchaser goes out and buys the jig. Whoops! Frank Purchaser (being the bloke that actually bought the jig) is now the only one allowed to use it, but lo and behold, Frank is an accountant, not a woodworker. So much for THAT investment...
-- Any EULA sufficiently shrinkwrapped is indistinguishable from crap. -Me (with apologies to Arthur C. Clarke :)
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Nope.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 24, 2003 at 02:50:18 AM PDT

Frank Purchaser was acting as agent for Joe Worker.

For an easy analogy, imagine you're at a store and you someone in a wheelchair pay for an item at a store by taking the money and handing it to the cashier. You didn't buy the item, you facilitated the purchase.

There are enough problems with this idea of licensing tangile products; we really don't need to invent any. And

Dogs make copies of themselves. Will pet shops "license" puppies next?
Not to be confused with dog licenses, which is license in the sense of "a tax or right to own", not "restriction on use".

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Dogs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 24, 2003 at 04:52:53 AM PDT

Dogs make copies of themselves. Will pet shops "license" puppies next?

Don't know about pet shops, but breeders have been doing this for years. When you buy a dog with a pedigree, one of two "licenses" are available. One gives the dog the right to reproduce and have its offspring pedigreed, the other does not. The more restrictive version is less expensive.

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Re: Dogs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 28, 2003 at 01:16:57 PM PDT

One gives the dog the right to reproduce...

I would like them to try to explain that to Bear, my black lab.

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papered dogs[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#49)
by Anonymous User on Mon Oct 03, 2005 at 03:52:09 PM PDT

the dogs can have pups, you just cant sell the pups as purebreeds (as you are not allowed to register for the papers on the offspring if restricted by the original)

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#252)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:16:09 PM PDT

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nope[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 24, 2003 at 04:24:47 AM PDT

you can't purchase the product, only a license to use the product; additionaly you can't use the product if you didn't purchase the product that you can't purchase so nobody can legaly use the product!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#255)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:25:14 PM PDT

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Well, the solution is obvious then...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 24, 2003 at 02:19:49 PM PDT

As someone on Slashdot pointed out.. if the jig can be used to create a duplicate of itself, then the loophole is here:

"you may not allow individuals that did not purchase the original Product (to) use the Product or any templates produced using the Product"

The original purchaser makes a template copy of the original (since s/he's the only one allowed to use it), then takes the copy and uses it (being a template off the original, also has to be done by the purchaser) to create a second-generation copy that can then be given to anyone. The second gen copy came from the first copy, not "the Product", and is therefore not bound by restrictions that come from producing items with the original.

Voila!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#236)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 06:58:49 PM PDT

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Let them know it's unacceptable[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by bshellenbaum on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 10:16:03 AM PDT

I went to their website and posted a comment that I'd never purchase anything from them while their 'license agreement' was in force. That's the only way to make them change. If they can't sell it with the license, they'll remove it.

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The Jig is up! Unite and Fight![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 12:33:06 PM PDT

I agree. That is the problem with this country, we have dug ourselves into the deep, impulsive consumerism mindset of instant gratification without stopping to think of the consequences. We as consumers should refrain from buying this widget, no matter how irresistible or our "gotta-have-it" urges might be. It would be a losing proposition to litigate against these ass-clowns with their legal mumbo-jumbo candy-assed lawyers and these one-sided EULA laws, at least we still have the power of choice to boycott them and let them know we, John Q Consumers are not going to put up with this kind of crap! Last time I checked, this is was still America, and the people still have the power. Let us not roll over and pretend everything is going to be fine. We are slowly being deprived of our basic freedoms - The right to buy a product with our hard earned money and do whatever the damn hell we please with it!!!!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#257)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:29:28 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Stots Template-Master[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 10:22:25 AM PDT

Interestingly, the manual is posted for public access as a PDF file on the web site. Isn't it a bit inconsistent to restrict a user by treating this as proprietary technical know-how then posting the same information where anyone can access it? There were no restrictions in accessing this information, either, and I'd also note since there is no product available, that the license agreement wouldn't necessarily apply to someone who just browsed this page.

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Not relevant[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#15)
by DMF on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 01:57:29 PM PDT

The EULA is presented strictly as a contract. Intellectual property per se has nothing to do with usage restrictions. (A EULA *may* contains terms that address IP, but those terms function within the context of the contract, not within the context of our sorry web of IP legalisms.)

Imagine, for instance, a magician that tells you on his web site exactly how to do his most famous trick. Unfortunately this trick requires a certain device. He will 'license' you such a device under a EULA which forbids you from using it outside your closet.

Everyone involved would know how the trick was done. But only the magician would be able to make a living at it.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#253)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:22:49 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#251)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:15:43 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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No gift giving allowed[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 10:24:13 AM PDT

Hmmm. Guess I'll drop this from my Christmas gift list. Can't ask my Mother for one of these as a gift! I would be explicitly disalowed from using the new toy purchased for me as a gift. And my poor Mother would be a criminal???

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No Gift giving[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:38:56 AM PDT

To answer your question, Stots makes it clear your mother would have to know or learn woodworking, otherwise it would make a nice christmas tree ornament.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#247)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:11:51 PM PDT

出会い出会い系サイト出会い喫茶出会い掲示板ナンパ出会いカフェ人妻出会い無 009;系サイト優良出会い系攻略 完全無料。アダルトビデオアダルト動画アダルトアニメアダルト画像アダル 488;サイト無料DVDアダルト風俗サンプル無料風俗優良アダルトサイト比較海 806;。人妻画像人妻パラダイス知合い人妻援護会人妻コレクション風 439;告白。熟女画像東京熟女掲示板動画熟女ビデオおまんこオナニーエロ画像エロフラッシュアニメ 456;ロ動画エロゲームエロ漫画無料エロサイト。エッチ画像エッチ動画エッチ小説写真エッチ 450;ニメエッチ0930。セックスアナルセックス画像セックス動画セックスフレンドスワッピングSEX写真セックスボランティセ 483;クス体位東京セックス仕方 SEX。おっぱい画像おっぱい村長おっぱい楽園掲示板お 387;ぱい命おっぱいゲーム。巨乳動画巨乳画像アイドル巨乳 522;示板風俗。セフレ募集セフレ掲示板セフレ画像掲示板セフレの作り方出会い無料素人セフレ。童貞狩りエロ漫画童貞狩り童貞喪失童貞オークション素人童貞逆援不倫パートナー不倫出会い人妻不倫不倫を楽しみたい方にはお薦め 154;妻画像など満載出会いサイトを楽しむならココ無料出会いで一緒に遊ぼう出会いはLOVEアゲインで決まり

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Spread the word![ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#5)
by sandygettings on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:03:27 AM PDT

You don't have to be a woodworker to see that this is absurd. While Stots may have the right to sell, er, license, their tools any way they want, consumers can choose to buy it or not. Vote with your checkbook!

I'm also sending letters to my favorite woodworking magazines, in hope that they will spread the word. Back in the days before software monopolies, magazines had great influence in keeping computer companies in line. If you're a woodworker, send a note to your favorite mag. Here's a few:

Fine Woodworking - fw@taunton.com
Wood Magazine - support@woodmagazine.com
This Old House Magazine - TOH_Letters@thisoldhouse.com
Woodsmith - www.woodsmith.com/main/orders.html
Woodworker's Journal - editor@woodworkersjournal.com
Popular Woodworking - steve.shanesy@fwpubs.com
ShopNotes - www.shopnotes.com/main/orders.html


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What about Bob?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#9)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:49:25 AM PDT

Let's not forget to let Bob Villa, Norm, The Do It Yourself Network and all other DIY shows know about this abuse!

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UnFairUse[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:05:03 AM PDT

Suppose one put on their check -- in very small print and maybe with invisible ink that became visible at 200 degrees F -- a statement to the effect that: "As additional consideration for the payment represented by this instrument, the merchant warrents the buyer's unconditional right to use the product being transferred as he/she sees fit without regard to any preprinted restrictions packaged therewith." Just a thought -- fight shrink wrap terms with shrink wrap payments.

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Shrinkwrap checks[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 12:11:20 PM PDT

I having that printed on my next run of checks.

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#240)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:06:49 PM PDT

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Sneak-wrap checks?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 28, 2003 at 01:00:53 PM PDT

Alas, us common folk don't get to use such tricks.

See:

http://www.snopes.com/business/bank/paidfull.asp

especially the last paragraph.

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Buying vs. licensing semantics[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:46:04 AM PDT

There has been a spate of TV commercials for DVD movies lately, e.g.,: "The Lion King ... own it today!" In six months, they'll come along and tell you that you've only licensed it, i.e., that you haven't bought it (the usual understanding of ownership). Seems to me the corporate executives, marketers, and lawyers will manipulate the semantics to their advantage. Imagine if we were told that we've only LICENSED the claw hammer that we thought we had bought. Imagine if the manufacturer told us that we couldn't lend it to a neighbor, or that we couldn't sell anything that we'd made with the hammer.

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Who Pays for Return?[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:51:34 AM PDT

So if we don't agree with the terms we just return it, right? So will Stots pay for return shipping?
"If you do not agree with the "Agreement", do not remove product seal and promptly return, this tool, package and the other items (written materials and containers) to Stots Corporation for a full refund."


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Buy, Lincense or Lease[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 12:02:34 PM PDT

Which raises some interesting speculation. If we are licensing tools, then couldn't we take it a step further and lease them like we would a car or a house? That way, we wouldn't pay the full price, we could pay in installments, we could use it for a period of time. When the lease expires, we can take it back and have the option to buy it based on residual value or give it back!

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#248)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:12:36 PM PDT

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Who Pays for the Return[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 11:55:11 AM PDT

So if we don't agree with the terms we just return it, right? So will Stots pay for return shipping?
"If you do not agree with the "Agreement", do not remove product seal and promptly return, this tool, package and the other items (written materials and containers) to Stots Corporation for a full refund."


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Stots TemplateMaster Woodworking Tool[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 23, 2003 at 06:37:13 PM PDT

What a unique advertising ploy! I'll bet they know they can't seriously enforce this (I don't think they are as big as the RIAA) but look at all the free advertising they are getting! Too bad I didn't think of this.

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too bad it's NEGATIVE advertising![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#44)
by Anonymous User on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 11:14:21 AM PDT

Doh...they're scheme failed!

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too bad it's NEGATIVE advertising![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#47)
by ObiHaiv on Tue Nov 18, 2003 at 12:21:46 PM PDT

I dunno...  Anyone in Hollywood will tell you, "There's no such thing as BAD publicity."

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yes[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#244)
by maderikapapa on Fri Jun 27, 2008 at 07:08:00 PM PDT

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