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You sure these guys aren't spammers?[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by kbecker on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 07:18:20 AM PDT

Let's see:

The fella complaining is a small business with hundreds of thousands of customers.

It's "too much trouble" to keep track of who's opted in to receive mail and who has not. All of his customers are loyal and have "a previous business relationship", i.e., they bought something from him.

So, let's say that he's compliant with the CAN-SPAM law and actually has a valid removal address. Even though it's "too much trouble" to keep track of those hundreds of thousands of email addresses he has somewhere one might guess that he might actually remove somebody's email address upon request. Unless, of course, the next product offering he plans to deliver is really, really important. Hah.

This is spamming. Spamming is Unsolicited Commercial Email. It is considered bad practice to respond to such emails because (1) spammers lie and (2) see #1.

If he was really interested in not being considered a spammer then he would use the Confirmed Opt-In protocol. That's much like the way you run your new account creation, Mr. Foster, where if a $RANDOM_MISBEHAVING_SCUM signs up people for accounts the worst that can happen is that people get one email saying, "Here's your request. If you don't respond, you won't see another one." If one does respond, then there's a record that the emailer has saying that the respondent wants email. If not .. Well, spammers can sign up anybody. And $RANDOM_MISBEHAVING_SCUM can be anybody, like, for example, the advertising/marketing people in his own company.

One last thing. By his own admission, his company sends out email, say, several times a year. His position is that it's not often enough to be considered spamming.

At last count there were several tens of millions of companies in the U.S., never mind the rest of the world. Even with small percentages, if all those companies send out email for "invaluable opportunities" once or twice a year, one will find thousands of emails a day in ones inbox.

It's a classic case of the tragedy of the commons. This is why anti spammers take such a strong line; if email is to be preserved as a useful tool, those sending mass amounts of email had better be ready to prove that the email they send is desired, CAN-SPAM or no CAN-SPAM. From the article, the company in question looks to be short of that proof.

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You completely missed the point.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#6)
by foxyshadis1 on Fri Jan 05, 2007 at 04:31:55 PM PDT

The point is that no matter who is doing the sending, according to the posters Spam Arrent reserves for themselves the right to charge $2000 for every email, at its discretion. If they decide to charge $2000, there is no appeal. Does that make it clear, now?

Sounds like a moneymaking business to me.

It may be that the people in charge of Spam Arrest are entirely ethical and honest, and will take the utmost care to ensure that none but the most obvious spammer is charged. But businesses can't blindly assume that, since that's not what the contract says, and they could be opening themselves to charges bringing them to insolvency - without any customer having to complain.

Spam Arrest could determine that Amazon or Buy.com sent out UCE and fine them thousands of dollars, on a whim, and their 'contract' makes it perfectly legal and gives no option for appeal. Of course it's more likely they'd do it to smaller companies for more borderline businesses, if they actually were running out of money.

You mention Confirmed Opt-In - but appearently you miss the fact that the original poster does, as well. Spam Arrest goes well beyond requiring confirmed opt-in, to the point of requiring documented opt-in of every individual email message. That's not a problem for gripelog, because no messages ever get sent, but it makes the entire email system rather pointless. Or do you know for certain that isn't the case? If you have a link to their sender terms, I'd like to see it.

It is not unsolicited if someone has been a customer in the past and has never asked to be removed. What's so unethical about a company keeping in touch with customers? It only rises to unethical, unsolicited spam when the messages keep coming after you've indicated your desire to be removed.

(Infoworld is one of the only sites that has had technical problems with removing me from their lists in the past, oddly. Even so, I wouldn't want them fined $2000 every time they sent me a pricey conference invitation.)

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