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proprietary battery[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous User on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 09:59:14 AM PDT

Anyone who knows anything about LiIon batteries and battery safety should applaud Motorola for this approach. What they are actually saying is that in order to safely use the product without hazard they have designed a system which includes the battery the phone and the charger to the highest safety standards and that they are trying to keep you from blowing up. You're welcome Dolphin 1

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Good to see...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#3)
by Anonymous User on Sat Apr 08, 2006 at 12:30:03 PM PDT

... a shill for Motorola made it in to post. Standardize these bloody things across the industry, NOT proprietary parts....

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You're wrong...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous User on Mon Apr 10, 2006 at 05:59:41 PM PDT

You either missed the entire point of the article or work for Motorola. Motorola has either taken a standard and bastardized it for themselves (i.e. the phone uses a higher voltage, amps, etc.) or has made the standard incompatible (i.e. same voltage, amps, etc. but requiring an extra chip). USB IS a standard, regulating things like voltage, etc. It's just a cheap trick to make a buck.

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Motorola Charger & Safety[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#10)
by Anonymous User on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 12:16:40 PM PDT

First, let me mention up front that I do NOT work in the cellular industry and I DO NOT work for Motorola. I do, however, work in an electronics-based tech industry where I have a fair amount of exposure to Li-Ion battery technologies and consumer products that use these batteries.

I have had first-hand exposure to the special Motorola version of the Mini-USB connection used on phones such as the Razr V3 & Slvr L7 and Pebl U6 models. I am convinced that safe battery charging IS the primary motivation behind what Motorola has done in this matter.

If you doubt this, use a search engine to look for information about "Li-Ion Rapid Disassembly". Ignorance is bliss. If you don't understand the risks you cannot appreciate what you are being protected from.

In this case, my personal opinion is that I can fault Motorola for using an industry-standard connector in a non-standard configuration (which confuses and sets-up unrealized expectations) but not the motivation behind their charger design.



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by whatsburning on Tue Apr 11, 2006 at 12:56:44 PM PDT

Motorola is just covering their butt over Li-ion charging problems cause by cheap chargers - and probably batteries. Unfortunately, they took a very stupid approach. Several chip companies have recently introduced specific power control chips that go in the phone - where they belong - to handle unsafe chargers and pirate batteries. With these in the phone out-of-spec chargers and batteries become a moot point. My feelings on the matter - if a company has a dumb product, don't buy it!

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use of standards that are not standards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 19, 2006 at 07:23:54 AM PDT

Typical motorola 1. take an standard, incorporate into product. It good marketing. 2. come up with some reason to change standard (safety is alway a good one 'cos no-one aver disagrees with that) 3. Change the standard to prevent anyone else producing something using the standard. 4. Charge huge amounts of money for a standard that is no longer standard, but still claim you meet the standard (still good marketing) For those who shrill that Motorola is only doing it for our safety ('think of the children'), the andwer is very simple, If a standard is not good enough, DON'T USE IT.

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Standards[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Apr 26, 2006 at 01:59:37 AM PDT

You are supposed to design the phone to the standard - not the otherway arround. GM would prefer I bought the tires for my car from them, and they are certainly capable of making possibly valid safety arguments for that. But they would be in deep do do, if I could not pick tires of varying costs and quality from a variety of manufacturers.
Basically the phone should recharge correctly and safely with any cable conforming to the standard. In fact it should work safely with anything even close to conforming to the standard. And I thing we all know that Motorola has good enough engineers to do so without altering the cost or usability of the product.
Safety is important, but it is not an excuse for ignoring standards.

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True that!![ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous User on Sun Aug 20, 2006 at 01:35:13 PM PDT

I have the same issue with my V325 phone, the funny thing is that what ever firmware they used to detect an un-authorized charger in many cases provides an un -authorized charger error when I use the Motorola charger that was provided, which was the case as soon as I took it out of the box.

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This Phone has issues[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#31)
by rlsilvernail on Fri Sep 15, 2006 at 06:57:37 AM PDT

I am on my 2nd V325 and about to get my 3rd. My phone had charging issues from Day 1 that eventually esclated to the point that it wouldnt charge at all. Verizon moaned and groaned and was incredibly rude and then finally replaced it. But not the battery, only the phone, which is apparently their new policy. Well 1 month after getting it replaced it refuses to charge again. I think I'm gonna just ebay a differnt phone rather than try to deal with Verizon again.

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