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A Censorship Clause??[ Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 03:05:37 AM PDT

Wow, so Microsoft becomes cheaper and cheaper every time I look at it. Do it have to resort to such tactics? Is Windows Vista so bad that they have to prohibit others from criticizing it?

Just one more reason never to bother with Windows Vista. I have no intention to upgrade to Windows Vista, and if I have to use Windows, I will just install my pirated corporate version of Windows XP (or my older Windows versions 2000 and 98 if necessary, which are legitimate, by the way), which does not require activation and allows me to change hardware as often as I like. I will never pay Microsoft another cent of my money again.

I hope Microsoft (and Symantec) go bankrupt and die a horrible death!!

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Better start testing now[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous User on Tue Oct 24, 2006 at 03:19:41 PM PDT

Now seems the perfect time to try an alternate OS. Since support cost is usually the trump card played by Microsoft, this seems the perfect time to move to Linux + OpenOffice: 1) Runs well on current hardware where Vista requires an upgrade 2) License is free and free to transfer where Vista + Office 2007 costs money to upgrade to and money to move the Vista license (possibly the Office license, depending on how far Microsoft wants to take this) more than once. Also, you won't need to deal with CALs or Office licenses anymore. 3) The difference in cost of training users on either system would be negligible 4) Don't have to pay the Microsoft "upgrade" treadmill every 2 years for office and 4-5 years for operating systems for little to no actual business benefit in truly useful, additional features 5) In the short term, at least, the Linux solution will be more secure

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Security[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 25, 2006 at 11:52:48 AM PDT

In the long term too, I expect. Unix (and Linux) was designed from the ground up with security in mind. Windows (and its predecessor MS-DOS) started out on single-user, non-networked computers. Network security was bolted on as an afterthought when the first Internet-connected Windows machines kept getting hacked, virused, and WinNuked. Now the NT-kernel Windowses have almost-okay security, but the legacy code and the need to support legacy apps punch holes in it. M$ will always be playing catch-up here.

A future with Linux seeing much more client-side market share will see a larger number of attacks directed at it, but the number of successful ones and serious threats will probably remain fairly low (albeit rise somewhat).

As it stands, Linux has good market share on the server-side, particularly in Web servers that are exposed to the Internet. It seems to me that despite Linux/Apache being as fat a target there as Windows/IIS, and being exposed to the Internet, the Linux/Apache ones are stabler and less often successfully attacked deliberately, assuming both Linux/Apache and Windows/IIS are kept up to date on bugfixes.

The robustness on the Linux side even extends down to the basic structure of the TCP stack. One's available for Linux that's largely stateless (zero resource cost for half-open connections remotely initiated), and consequently can hold up to a syn flood that would swamp any Windows server with twice the muscle.

It's not just exploits; Linux servers are less susceptible even to DoS attacks that don't involve remotely exploiting the DoS target.

On the desktop side, there's no reason to expect less. In fact, there is a reason to expect less from Microsoft; whereas the M$ consumer OS has to support legacy apps and this necessarily weakens the security architecture, a server edition OS and a server app like IIS could be made far more secure. Assuming they are, even then, Linux seems to do better.

(There is a way, of course, to support legacy apps without too badly compromising security. They could be forced to run in a virtual machine with its own virtual storage devices and such -- a virtual legacy-doze box inside a modern-doze box, which would if set up right mean the virtual box would still be quite vulnerable but the rest of the system would not be. Keeping secret stuff, like CC numbers, out of the VM, and backing up anything important in the virtual box with copies outside the virtual box, would let you simply let the virtual box get messed up and whenever it did, wipe and recreate it. Depending, it might not even need internet connectivity; if used for document editing, for instance, the legacy app could be used to work on the document, and the document copied out of the virtual box, then e-mailed or faxed.

But I doubt we'll ever see M$ implement this sort of thing.

A person still can have a nearly airtight box with a virtual box supporting legacy apps, for a price, of course; they can run VMWare or similar virtual-PC software on a Linux box.

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Not even... you can't emulate.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 01:39:32 AM PDT

Supposedly, there's another clause that makes it pretty sketchy to run a virtualization of Windows Vista. I can't remember where it is in the EULA, but you could do a quick search of digg.com, and I think the link will come up. (since that's where I saw it earlier today

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Sure you can[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#39)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 02:37:16 PM PDT

Just because Microsoft tells you not to, doesn't mean you can't. They aren't a duly constituted legislative body elected by the people, after all, and the "law" in question looks suspiciously unconstitutional to me anyway.

Regardless, how will they find out and prove you ran Vista on a virtual PC?

Not to mention the issue is moot anyway. If Vista flops half as badly as it looks like it will, M$ will have to support XP into the foreseeable future (or sunset it forcibly with WGA thereby triping Linux's market share overnight). People can then run virtual XPs on Linux for as long as they still need to run legacy 'doze apps.

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Virtual hardware is standardized...[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous User on Thu Oct 26, 2006 at 03:13:37 PM PDT

Regardless, how will they find out and prove you ran Vista on a virtual PC?

Simple... Virtual hardware intentionally emulates outdated video, networking, mice, etc. in order to support the most operating systems "out of the box". VMWare emulates a 1995(?)-era "AMD PCnet-PCI II" Ethernet card and a 1997-era "Sound Blaster AudioPCI" card, hardware that's so outdated it's not in many physical machines anymore. To add, IIRC, all VMWare virtual hard drives have a manufacturer name of "VMWare" in it. The hardware info gets transmitted back to M$ under the guise of WGA, so Microsoft knows which installations are virtual and which are "real".

The problem, for Microsoft, is that once someone virtualizes a registration number, that hardware will not change (excluding the CPU) not matter how often they move the image to a new machine...

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It's coming[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#49)
by Anonymous User on Fri Oct 27, 2006 at 09:34:07 AM PDT

That's short-term thinking. The natural next move in this arms race is virtualization software that has a variety of hardware emulation options, including some specifically designed to stealth the virtualization from whatever runs inside it. The simplest is simply to provide a thunking layer to talk almost directly to the actual peripheral hardware, allowing you to also virtualize the hardware you actually use, and virtual drives that claim to be of arbitrary manufacture.

Corporate collusion may prevent current, commercial virtualization software from developing these features despite their obvious desirability; open source will just step in and pick up the slack. Virtualization is the next thing and nothing can stop it; it's an answer to too many security problems not to win out fairly soon.

The current copyright-enforcement regime is dead and starting to realize it. That's why this licensing stuff is reaching such a shrill pitch, smacking of desperation. The Internet started chipping away at it. P2P struck a body blow. The coming booms in virtualization, on the one hand, and the distributed hashtable web, on the other, will sound the death knell.

Read the www.freedomtotinker.com article on botnets. End user machine insecurity is starting to cost the economy millions and fuels spam and identity theft. Web site operators are deluged with bogus traffic they have to pay for. Virtualization to support legacy apps without keeping legacy security holes on the one hand, and DHT-Web for distributing the Web on a p2p model on the other, can greatly improve the situation.

Of course, the BSA, RIAA, and MPAA will fight tooth and claw to stop it. Of course, they will all be bankrupted after the revolution. :)

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Another candidiate for Censorship[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 25, 2006 at 01:07:36 PM PDT

How about Network Appliance's Data ONTAP software? Their license agreement states "Customer must not publish or provide any results of benchmark tests run on the Software to a third party without NetApp's prior written consent"

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Old news.[ Parent | Reply to This ] (none / 0) (#19)
by Anonymous User on Wed Oct 25, 2006 at 05:01:36 AM PDT

This is old news. This term has always existed in the .NET framework license. Believe it or not, these terms are less strict than they used to be. In .NET Framework 1.x, the user is not allowed to disclose benchmark results at all.

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